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SL James View Member Profile	Aug 2 2006, 02:16 AM Post #76
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mfb View Member Profile	Aug 2 2006, 02:19 AM Post #77
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Aug 2 2006, 03:21 AM

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But this whole Horrors thing is Earthdawn stuff. I want to play Shadowrun and I don't think I should have to buy Earthdawn source books to understand what SR's important NPCs are talking about.

Actually, the Horrors originated in Shadowrun. Bottled Demon, the original Horrors adventure, wa released long before Earthdawn. Earthdawn simply took them and flesed them out. In Bottled Demon the Horrors were a mysterious and unseen force that only acted through the corrupted artifact.

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Aug 2 2006, 03:57 AM

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The bugs have always been my favorite, if not just for the fact they invoke the feeling of Alien(s). I got into SR after UB, QE, and DE were out (and was unaware of them), but right before Bug City was released. That book blew my mind. I think everyone in my group (we rotate GMing here and there) ran at least one BC campaign. In fact someone is sitting around right now waiting for Street Magic to come out so we can do it all over again. We even took a trip to Chicago one time (years ago) and only used the map in the back of Bug City to navigate around. Bless those FASA folks for making a realistic map :)

hooray cermak and ashland (btw there was some mexican/latino festival going on on the street when we went there, fun stuff.)

SR killed my hometown! Give me back my hometown! :grr:

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Aug 2 2006, 04:27 AM

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QUOTE (mfb @ Aug 1 2006, 09:19 PM)

they're not cutting a deal, they're capturing queens and shamans and forcing them to do Ares' bidding. it's in Threats 2.

Not cutting deal, but the chapter does leave it a bit open ended as to the entirety of the dynamics of what is going on, and how it will end. With speculation about the length of time that the invae and their shamans will be successfully fully subverted, or if it is actually a rogue Ares division to some extent that is already under invae influence. Not completely unknown to the higher ups, but operating outside initial parameters and proper chain of command.

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Aug 2 2006, 04:34 AM

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QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ Aug 1 2006, 04:57 PM)

The problem I've had with more recent plotlines all boils down to trying to do too much in too few books.

That's pretty much what I was getting at with my comments about Dankwalther. The way he happened was pretty much "Whoop, there he is!" Then "Whoop, there he isn't!" There really wasn't enough words to build him up to being a credible threat to the storied dynamic duo of Richard Villiers and Miles Lanier, especially given the tough row it was to hoe to start with.

The real tough part going forward at this point is going to be loading up the pipeline to get to the payoff down the road. The current lack of novels doesn't help because in the past they really helped build this stuff. Novels being great because they have total word counts that far outstrip the source books, even the fluff ones.

Samaels Ghost View Member Profile	Aug 2 2006, 04:42 AM Post #83
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Aug 2 2006, 04:49 AM

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QUOTE (Samaels Ghost @ Aug 1 2006, 11:42 PM)

So they did discontinue the new novel series? I think I read that somewhere....

Those novels are for the [discontinuned] Wizkids HeroClix Shadowrun line. So it is all pre-Crash 2.0 (early 2060's), therefore out of sync with the RPG's current timeline.

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Aug 2 2006, 08:49 AM

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The Apep Consortium shares a lot of qualities that suggest it picked up where Aztech/Darke took off.

Ah, now I feel so stupid - but this name doesn't come to my mind. Yeah, Apep is great, one of the ral badass threats that haven't been used too much in canon but has much potential.

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Of course, I also subscribe to the theory that the more "active" members of DIVE have been, willingly or unwillingly, involved in activities related to the Cult of the Great Hunter. BTW, Secret Societies of Barsaive. Great book for SR. Especially since certain groups like the Songbirds already exist in SR now.

One of the best ED-books, no questions asked. It's a grat supplement for intrigue and features many really dangerous cults (Holders Of Trut = Seraphim/ Cross or the Hand Of Corruption = Winternight without the Norse mythology).

DIVE seems to be influenced by many power groups, including one or more Horror Cults, yeah.

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Aug 2 2006, 08:50 AM

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The problem I've had with more recent plotlines all boils down to trying to do too much in too few books.

Amen, brother! So many intriguing possibilities, but never enough actual info to really do anything. I wonder sometimes if some of that's due to trying to keep the feel of an ED crossover without actually having an ED crossover to fall back on.....

As long as hope still exists...

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Aug 2 2006, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ Aug 1 2006, 07:55 PM)

The New Revolution coup could easily have been its own plotline, it's own book, or even something that developed over multiple books. As could any of the three main tracks of System Failure.

Agreed. I was aiming for a much bigger section with the original (and radically different) pitch.

Like to share your original idea(s)? :)

SL James View Member Profile	Aug 2 2006, 09:37 AM Post #88
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Aug 2 2006, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE (Grinder @ Aug 2 2006, 05:51 AM)

Like to share your original idea(s)? :)

I'd love to, but I'd have to:

a) Check again to see if proposals are included in the NDA.
b) Consider if some of those ideas could be salvaged for SR4's future books.

:|

Demonseed Elite View Member Profile	Aug 2 2006, 10:55 PM Post #91
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Aug 2 2006, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE (Demonseed Elite)

Material that they didn't purchase as part of the word count doesn't really belong to them and so you could pretty much release it (assuming it doesn't use material they do own or reference material they own but haven't published). But if you release it as fan-made, non-canon stuff, you basically can never use it as published, canon material.

Yup. I keep looking at the stuff and think "but we can use this later!" :)

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Aug 3 2006, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE (Samaels Ghost @ Aug 1 2006, 11:42 PM)

So they did discontinue the new novel series? I think I read that somewhere....

Those novels are for the [discontinuned] Wizkids HeroClix Shadowrun line. So it is all pre-Crash 2.0 (early 2060's), therefore out of sync with the RPG's current timeline.

Not entirely true... I'm reading Aftershock now, and withing the first couple of pages they start talking about a Farlight Caliban and AR. I think they moved up the timeline for that book (and maybe the 6th) Only the first 3 books dealt with anything that I had seen coming out for the WK Duels line (I had seen the production run through series 4)

WhiskeyMac View Member Profile	Aug 3 2006, 01:58 AM Post #96
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Aug 3 2006, 03:29 AM

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QUOTE (Dr. Dodge @ Aug 1 2006, 07:39 PM)

The bugs have always been my favorite, if not just for the fact they invoke the feeling of Alien(s). I got into SR after UB, QE, and DE were out (and was unaware of them), but right before Bug City was released. That book blew my mind. I think everyone in my group (we rotate GMing here and there) ran at least one BC campaign. In fact someone is sitting around right now waiting for Street Magic to come out so we can do it all over again. We even took a trip to Chicago one time (years ago) and only used the map in the back of Bug City to navigate around. Bless those FASA folks for making a realistic map :)

hooray cermak and ashland (btw there was some mexican/latino festival going on on the street when we went there, fun stuff.)

SR killed my hometown! Give me back my hometown! :grr:

I was really pissed at the double-whammy Chicago got as well (first the Loop goes downhill, then the entire city? WTF!), but I've come to love the prospect of bughunts. No other city has the urban chaos that Chicago was given, and while I wish it still had the grand significance of other megacities like NYC, Seattle, and Denver, it is a great location to play in.

Back during high school, I did a recreation of the city after the CZ was lifted, wherein (as I had no knowledge of Strain-III) Lofwyr essentially bought the CZ out wholesale, subletting it as needed, and with a combination of magic and tech, essentially revitalized the entire area. Let's just say that IBM Park, the Saeder-Krupp Navy Pier Arcology, and Little Earth, Inc's hermetic headquarters were just a few of my changes that shifted the downtown back towards the traditional headquarters.

Obviously, the UB/Invae has been my favorite metaplot.

The worst metaplot in my opinion has been the Tir and ED-related plots, as they mention these grandiose figures who seemingly have a ton of influence and history behind them, but a) give no information regarding their backgrounds and b) don't detail what connections these characters have. Granted, I love the dragons and IEs and the concept behind the Tirs, but the people they bring up gives little to work with.

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Aug 3 2006, 04:26 AM

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QUOTE (Brahm @ Aug 2 2006, 12:49 AM)

QUOTE (Samaels Ghost @ Aug 1 2006, 11:42 PM)

So they did discontinue the new novel series? I think I read that somewhere....

Those novels are for the [discontinuned] Wizkids HeroClix Shadowrun line. So it is all pre-Crash 2.0 (early 2060's), therefore out of sync with the RPG's current timeline.

Not entirely true... I'm reading Aftershock now, and withing the first couple of pages they start talking about a Farlight Caliban and AR. I think they moved up the timeline for that book (and maybe the 6th) Only the first 3 books dealt with anything that I had seen coming out for the WK Duels line (I had seen the production run through series 4)

Interesting. Thanks for the correction.

mfb View Member Profile	Aug 3 2006, 04:39 AM Post #99
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Aug 3 2006, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ Aug 2 2006, 07:55 PM)

Material that they didn't purchase as part of the word count doesn't really belong to them and so you could pretty much release it (assuming it doesn't use material they do own or reference material they own but haven't published). But if you release it as fan-made, non-canon stuff, you basically can never use it as published, canon material.

Yup. I keep looking at the stuff and think "but we can use this later!" :)

Thinking of all the good stuff that'll never see the light of the day.... :(

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