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I always figured the resonance didn't need to be magical. Essentially we have a very complex system (The matrix) which is so complex it is emerging (the sum is greater than it's parts) and since it's waves you might argue that it's a resonance.
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Aug 14 2006, 08:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Resonance isn't something you are, it's something you do with something else.
Yes that's what I meant. If the dragons did have a magical equivalent to the matrix, then they might have created the magical equivalent of programs/SKs/sprites (spirits), and something more powerful and conscious (Passions?) might have spontaneously evolved/emerged just like AIs did in the Matrix. |
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Aug 14 2006, 08:25 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Just for the record, in my campaign Pax doesn't know she's working for Lochost. She doesn't even know about Lochost. She just had a vision fueled by the dissonance, as per canon. |
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Aug 16 2006, 02:54 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 984 Joined: 15-June 06 Member No.: 8,717 |
Who's Lochost? Another passion, i assume?
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Aug 16 2006, 08:24 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
The Passion of freedom, rebellion and change.
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Aug 16 2006, 08:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
And the (im)mortal enemy of Dis, the Mad Passion of slavery and bureaucracy.
Hang on... did I say Lochost? Oops. I meant 'Localhost' of course. Completely different thing. ;) |
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Aug 16 2006, 10:15 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
As an odd random thought...
Winternight(those wacky guys) saw the matrix as the chains of Loki and as his tool. The Otaku were called Loki's children. Loki and Lochost looks like reasonable linguistic drift (actual I suspect it's a little mild for drift given the time). So if Lochost is trapped by the matrix where does that leave us. Particularly with the Dissonance being to my mind a form of Dis. Actually I hope to get back to dragons and tibet soon... When i have a bit more time I'm going to post my dragons theories. |
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Aug 16 2006, 10:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Looking forward to it. Dissonance = Dis doesn't work for me. The former is about change and chaos, the very antithesis of Dis. Plus the Dissonance brought Deus to its virtual knees, and Deus = Dis is a much better fit IMO. Loki = Lochost had occurred to me: the personalities don't entirely tally but it's not too far off. The irony of Winternight is that they thought they were fighting Loki and the matrix but really they were being manipulated by the Dissonance (which certainly seems like what they thought of as Loki), which was operating through Pax. Pax envisioned a new Matrix- she wasn't purely about destroying the old one- and it seems to me that this is what the Dissonance (EDIT: or maybe whatever was pretending to be the Dissonance in order to manipulate Pax) was after as well. So the question is... why? It's easy in my version of events: Lochost / Loki / the Dissonance wanted to foil Deus and 'free the matrix' from its former constraints (at the same time freeing the AIs from their technological 'prison'). Creating a new Matrix that is more in tune with magic & the old dragon network was the first step in returning the AIs / Passions to their original home- the astral. Or something like that. Still, I'd give my right arm to find out the devs' version of events and what they really intended to be behind the Dissonance. |
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Aug 16 2006, 12:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 984 Joined: 15-June 06 Member No.: 8,717 |
I'm sure they'd prefer your money instead
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Aug 17 2006, 09:05 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
We couldoffer them money cash on delivary (once we've checked it out) of course.
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Aug 17 2006, 09:29 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Handed over by a platoon of Drop Bears. Only to make the transport secure.
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Aug 19 2006, 02:30 PM
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Aug 20 2006, 05:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 984 Joined: 15-June 06 Member No.: 8,717 |
Tease
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Sep 6 2006, 08:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 984 Joined: 15-June 06 Member No.: 8,717 |
More hints at the connection between Wireless networks and Tibet's involvement.
http://www.sprawledout.com/?p=18 If they do, indeed, know about the Great Mandala's significance to the wireless web, then maybe their current interest in wireless technology reflects a disturbance in the Great Mandala? Suppose the Dissonance is native to the matrix and is now exhibiting influence on the Great Mandala because of the wireless-mana bleed/crossover? That would be incentive to reach out to powerful Technos. To both fight back if the Dissonance proves to be dangerous and understand the connection between the wireless web and the Great Mandala. If the Dissonance is native to the Astral realm, however... I don't know. If the Dissonance is native to the astral plane, and if the Tibetan monks have any idea what it is, then putting up wirelss networks in Tibet would be a bad idea, I think. It would increase the bleed between the two networks and possibly the influence of the Resonance entities. The Deep Resonance, the Dissonance, and the Idols would all become more powerful. Maybe that's what Tibet has in mind. Maybe the Idols are influencial Tibetan monks or those who have passed on while trying to unlock the secrets of the Great Mandala. The Idols most likely have SOMETHING to do with the Resonance. I'm really curious as to what they are and how they're involved. |
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Sep 6 2006, 09:32 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
I wonder wher if she's there Dvilgaynon is placed in the heirachy of Tibet. I suspect she would be the State Oracle.
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Sep 6 2006, 09:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 984 Joined: 15-June 06 Member No.: 8,717 |
Isn't Nyimabumo State Oracle?
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Sep 6 2006, 09:35 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Yeah i think so, but (use)names can be be changed to protect the innocent.
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Sep 6 2006, 10:21 PM
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Yes, she is. But yeah, it isn't as if dragons haven't changed their names before between appearances. Also, if you have Shadows of Asia and either Cara Fahd or the revised print of Dragons for Earthdawn, there are definitely clues that go a long way to pointing out where Dvilgaynon might be involved. |
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Sep 7 2006, 07:46 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Well I know hat I'm doing after my game finished tonight. Would the info in FASA's downloadable Dragons be good enough.
I must get round writing up my ED to SR dragons theories. |
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Sep 7 2006, 01:13 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
No, because the downloadable version didn't include the chapter on Dvilgaynon that was added to the later version. |
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Sep 7 2006, 02:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Bah. |
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Sep 7 2006, 02:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 984 Joined: 15-June 06 Member No.: 8,717 |
Even though dragons aren't my favorite, that still sounds interesting. You should post your theories. |
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Sep 7 2006, 03:04 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I intend to try to put up two more Tibetan sects on my website tonight also. Nothing that directly links to any magical Matrix theories, but they will be new ones that I didn't put in the Shadows of Asia material because of limited wordcount.
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Sep 7 2006, 05:24 PM
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I dislike the Maxtrix and Astral mixing. Long ago they stated the old wrym Dunk though the old real possible refugee from the comng horror's was the Matrix.
I never liked Resonnance direction in the story lines. |
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Sep 7 2006, 07:50 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Keep in mind that officially speaking, there is no Astral/Matrix mixing. But these are theories/ideas I like to chat about on Dumpshock.
It hasn't been said anywhere in canon that Tibet's interests (which may or may not be involved with any sort of "magical Matrix") reflect anything that actually exists. Also, nothing I ever wrote for otaku or the Resonance plotlines ever tied to magic. In fact, the material I wrote about otaku was pretty firmly anti-magical and one of the reasons I felt indifferent about technomancers was because it became harder to definitively say they were non-magical. But I do like conspiracy-hunting and brainstorming here on DS. |
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