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Snow_Fox View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 02:25 PM Post #1
Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221	I'm looking for suggestions for hiding a pistol from people who can think outside the box. Now in RL I do have a permitt to carry a comcealed firearm. I'm small (5' 1" and pettite ) Yesterday I was going out on my motorcycle for a ride and had on jeans, a cotton shirt and black leather vest. The vest hugged my shape. very nice BUT I realized there was no way I could carry a gun in that outfit without it showing. now in Rl a purse is no way to carry a gun, you'll never get to it. Under a rain/winter coat I can carry on my hip. For owmen our cloths go tight on the hips. Shoulder holster is awkward due to female anatomy making the draw difficult, The small of my back is a great spot, but it is painful to sit in a car with it jambed there. oh and anyone shoving a gun into their waistband? no. My usual spot is a .380 Beretta Cheetah just behind my left hip, with a boyfirend jacket over it. A business suit is much more difficult and I can have at best a .25 bobcat.

mfb View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 02:34 PM Post #2
Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670	you could try a 'belly-band' holster, similar to what this nutjob has for sale. same advantages as a shoulder holster, but low enough that you won't punch yourself in the tits trying to draw it.

Paul View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 02:37 PM Post #3
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514	Funny my understanding is a lot of on duty and off duty law enforcement personel carry their weapons in those fanny pack holsters. As far as concealing a weapon goes, maybe you're just not trying hard enough? My roomate and I used to play "spot who's packing" and who isn't, and I never could tell when he was carrying his heater. Now I'll agree that some outfits just aren't condusive to concealing, but then there is always some sort of limitation in life so I guess we choose our poison, neh?

Schaeffer View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 02:46 PM Post #4
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 12-July 06 From: Redmond,UCAS Member No.: 8,876	Snow_Fox, there are companies who manufacture leather vests which have a pocket concealed along the front midsection in which a handgun the size of your Cheetah (one of the nicest looking .380's in my opinion) would fit quite well. By wearing the vest open/unbuttoned, you would also avoid printing. They should be easy to find online (I've even noticed some firearms manufacturers offering similar vests -- SIGARMS immediately comes to mind). I've carried using a jacket designed similarly to the vest described above, and found it quite comfortable and easy to get to. Due to my build and size, I rarely have any problems with an ITP style holster and a shirt hanging over it, but then again I'm not on a motorcycle, and I doubt that would solve your problem. Good luck!

Kagetenshi View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 02:48 PM Post #5
Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802	Carry it in your purse. If you need to get at it in a hurry, you've done something wrong--you should only be drawing your gun when you're ready to shoot someone and the someone isn't ready to have any shooting happen. The element of surprise should give you at least the time you need to get the weapon. Also, looser clothing. ~J

Schaeffer View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 02:53 PM Post #6
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 12-July 06 From: Redmond,UCAS Member No.: 8,876	Snow_Fox, try checking out gungear.com for the vest I described. Kagetenshi, I agree.

ronin3338 View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 06:15 PM Post #7
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 314 Joined: 25-February 06 Member No.: 8,307	I've seen purses with holsters in the middle. It's almost like it folds over the gun... You reach between the pockets, from the outside, and draw, and if needed you can even fire without drawing the weapon.

SL James View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 06:21 PM Post #8
Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473	I wonder if a company that specifically made a purse like that would allow you to get a refund if you shot through it to gun someone down.

Kagetenshi View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 06:24 PM Post #9
Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802	Refund? Fat chance. Discount on a new one? Very possibly. ~J

SL James View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 06:25 PM Post #10
Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473	Good point.

Shrike30

Aug 9 2006, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 9 2006, 07:48 AM)

Carry it in your purse. If you need to get at it in a hurry, you've done something wrong...

... and if you've done something wrong, you could need to get at it in a hurry. People make mistakes or their situational awareness lapses, and that's no reason to set yourself up to fail if you find you need to get at the gun fast.

Pocket holsters allow you to pocket-carry handguns with the trigger covered up, and the outline of the pistol broken up. The Bobcat should work fine with a pocket holster in all but the tightest of jeans. This is okay with the flatter automatics, but the cylinders on revolvers would probably print on someone your size. If you want a little more size and mass, Kahr makes some phenomenally small full-metal handguns in 9mm with surprisingly manageable recoil for their size (assuming, of course, that you don't mind spending that kind of money on a pistol). Pocket carrying a Kahr might be a bit of a problem, but I don't know exactly how you dress.

Depending on your taste in pants, an ankle holster might work. Magazines can also be kept on the ankle. This is slower than a more convenient location but might let you carry in a situation where you would otherwise be restricted.

If you own the bike and/or are the primary rider, you might want to consider modifying a small lockbox to fit onto the frame. This would allow you to keep the firearm relatively secure and protected from the environment, but isn't a lot of good when you get off the bike (as you might not wish to transfer a gun openly while dismounting).

Another option might be keeping a jacket of some sort in a pannier or other container on the bike with a gun being pocket-carried. Simply throw on the jacket when you get off the bike, and you're armed.

I carry a Glock 23 barely behind the right hip, and found it became much easier to conceal when I switched from outside-the-waistband to inside-the-waistband carry, going from a kydex to a horsehide holster. Losing that extra three inches or so of black metal and polymer hanging down below my beltline (and switching to a holster than canted further forwards and tucked the butt of the gun inwards) made it a lot easier to avoid printing or "blown shirt" issues. IWB carry took a little getting used to, but I'm much more comfortable this way. Kramer Gunleather makes phenomenal leather IWB holsters, and I've heard good things about Comp-Tac, Tucker, and Blade-Tech if kydex is your thing.

Products like the Wilderness Safepacker (which looks kind of like a small tool pouch that goes on your belt) or the various "day planner" type holsters can be blended into your daily wear. You have to take care not to leave them around (the main reason I avoid them personally... I tend to forget things, and don't want to risk that where someone could suddenly find themselves with a handgun), but they can be made to work. Some are even functional in the role they're designed to play.

Theoretically, there's some specifically designed "gun purses" on the market that maintain some style. I'm not really their target demographic, so I don't know much about them.

An option for car carry that would allow small-of-the-back carry in your normal life would be to have a holster in the car. This assumes that you're the owner of the cars you ride around in and that you don't mind having people getting into your car eyeballing the hunk of kydex you've got bolted to the underside of the dash. Bolting a holster to the inside of the glovebox or the console would be another means of stashing the firearm... off-body carry isn't ideal, but I'm willing to bet I could get a gun out of my console faster than I could draw from my IWB with a seatbelt on. You could transfer the weapon back onto your body when you get out of the vehicle.

You may also want to give "appendix carry" or crossdraw a try. Finding body-hugging shirts and vests that are loose enough at the bottom to cover the part of a gun that sticks out above the waistband from a low-riding IWB holster isn't impossible.

A real oddity I've seen would be something like a lanyard around the neck with a (small) gun hanging on the end of it. That's too unsecured for my tastes, but to each their own.

... running out of random ideas. :P "Tucked into a bigass hairdo" carry or some of the other things I've heard of from people with too much time on their hands probably aren't what you're going for here.

Shrike30 View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 07:08 PM Post #12
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98	(by the way, you might want to look up the specifics of on-vehicle and off-body carry in your state. they can get odd.)

Kagetenshi

Aug 9 2006, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE (Shrike30)

QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 9 2006, 07:48 AM)

Carry it in your purse. If you need to get at it in a hurry, you've done something wrong...

... and if you've done something wrong, you could need to get at it in a hurry.

…But you're a lot more likely to need to get at it in a hurry if you've kept it somewhere where you need to get at it in a hurry. Plus, you're meaningfully more likely to be wired than your opponent, and you probably won't be able to carry a gun into anywhere where you aren't likely to be more wired.

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People make mistakes or their situational awareness lapses, and that's no reason to set yourself up to fail if you find you need to get at the gun fast.

Again, sure there is--better to set yourself up to fail if you need the gun fast than to set yourself up to fail in not needing to get the gun fast.

~J

Shrike30 View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 07:25 PM Post #14
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98	Your logic's beyond me, kagetenshi. The mindset you approach carrying a gun with is a hell of a lot more important when you're looking at the possibility of having to use it than how hard it is to get to. If you're saying that my mindset of "I should keep my gun somewhere easy to get to, in case I need it" leads me to actively walk into situations where I'm more likely to need it because a gun makes me feel like a badass or keeps me from thinking about the risks of a given situation, you can go fuck yourself.

Schaeffer

Aug 9 2006, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE (Shrike30)

(by the way, you might want to look up the specifics of on-vehicle and off-body carry in your state. they can get odd.)

Good point. In Ohio, for example, when driving in a car, the firearm must either be on your person, or if not, locked up in a container. An under-the-dash holster would be a no-no. :eek:

Schaeffer View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 07:37 PM Post #16
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 12-July 06 From: Redmond,UCAS Member No.: 8,876	In regards to Blade-Tech and kydex, they're excellent. I carry my Glock 19 in one (IWB), and have no complaints.

Lagomorph View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 07:39 PM Post #17
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 834 Joined: 30-June 03 Member No.: 4,832	So, these are slightly obvious and more than a little tacky, and only .22, but they're definately alternate carry methods. (seriously, why would any one carry .22?) http://www.naaminis.com/custcry.html

zeb.hillard

Aug 9 2006, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE (Schaeffer)

QUOTE (Shrike30 @ Aug 9 2006, 02:08 PM)

(by the way, you might want to look up the specifics of on-vehicle and off-body carry in your state. they can get odd.)

Good point. In Ohio, for example, when driving in a car, the firearm must either be on your person, or if not, locked up in a container. An under-the-dash holster would be a no-no. :eek:

However, thankfully, you can usually explain the trunk of your vehicle as a locked container. I had to find out the considerable differences for concealed-carry that Ohio has as compared to home.

(A Texan in Ohio, blech)

Schaeffer View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 07:53 PM Post #19
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 12-July 06 From: Redmond,UCAS Member No.: 8,876	I feel your contempt, but it's better than no gun at all. :D An old intstructor of mine, when answering the age-old question, "What's the best handgun around?", answered simply, "The one you know how to use, and have on you when you need it."

zeb.hillard

Aug 9 2006, 07:54 PM

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I feel your contempt, but it's better than no gun at all. :D An old intstructor of mine, when answering the age-old question, "What's the best handgun around?", answered simply, "The one you know how to use, and have on you when you need it."

I do indeed have to concede that point to you, in total.

Schaeffer

Aug 9 2006, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE (Schaeffer @ Aug 9 2006, 02:35 PM)

QUOTE (Shrike30 @ Aug 9 2006, 02:08 PM)

(by the way, you might want to look up the specifics of on-vehicle and off-body carry in your state. they can get odd.)

Good point. In Ohio, for example, when driving in a car, the firearm must either be on your person, or if not, locked up in a container. An under-the-dash holster would be a no-no. :eek:

However, thankfully, you can usually explain the trunk of your vehicle as a locked container. I had to find out the considerable differences for concealed-carry that Ohio has as compared to home.

(A Texan in Ohio, blech)

Oh, absolutely. Until the CCW laws were passed a few years ago, the only way, commonly, to legally carry one was with the gun and ammunition in separate compartments! :dead: For example, the handgun zipped up in a case on your backseat, and the ammo locked up in the trunk (or some variation thereof). Everything in the trunk worked too.

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Aug 9 2006, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE (Shrike30)

If you're saying that my mindset of "I should keep my gun somewhere easy to get to, in case I need it" leads me to actively walk into situations where I'm more likely to need it because a gun makes me feel like a badass or keeps me from thinking about the risks of a given situation, you can go fuck yourself.

Mmm, defensive.

No, the simple act of carrying a gun somewhere where it's easy to get to makes it more likely that you will need it, because easy-to-get-to places are almost unqualifiedly less concealed than hard-to-get-to places, and if security spots it on you you're probably going to have to use it.

~J

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Aug 9 2006, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)

QUOTE (Shrike30 @ Aug 9 2006, 02:25 PM)

If you're saying that my mindset of "I should keep my gun somewhere easy to get to, in case I need it" leads me to actively walk into situations where I'm more likely to need it because a gun makes me feel like a badass or keeps me from thinking about the risks of a given situation, you can go fuck yourself.

Mmm, defensive.

No, the simple act of carrying a gun somewhere where it's easy to get to makes it more likely that you will need it, because easy-to-get-to places are almost unqualifiedly less concealed than hard-to-get-to places, and if security spots it on you you're probably going to have to use it.

~J

I do believe the confusion/aggression lies in the fact that one of you is mentioning In-Character situations, and the other is speaking about Real Life?

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Aug 9 2006, 08:04 PM

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Oh, absolutely. Until the CCW laws were passed a few years ago, the only way, commonly, to legally carry one was with the gun and ammunition in separate compartments! :dead: For example, the handgun zipped up in a case on your backseat, and the ammo locked up in the trunk (or some variation thereof). Everything in the trunk worked too.

I moved up here before the CCL went into effect, and remember the rush for firearms training classes that hit here in Columbus. It was almost hilarious. Of course, me, who'd grown up in Midwest Texas and had been firing guns since I knew how to respect them, thought the entire process of "Firearms Safety Training" ridiculious...but then again, I come from a different world than most of these city folks. :grinbig:

Moon-Hawk View Member Profile	Aug 9 2006, 08:04 PM Post #25
Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715	What, just because this is a role playing forum, and the title of the thread includes "role playing ideas", you just ASSUME someone would be talking about some in-game situation instead of everyone talking about their real life and getting all offended? pssh. You're weird. :-)

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