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LilithTaveril View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:22 PM Post #1
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 451 Joined: 8-May 06 Member No.: 8,533	I just want to make sure of this before I go further: Is it legal, rules-wise, to attach a scope to a panther cannon? I'm asking because, in one game I'm playing, my character is considering using a panther cannon as a sniper rifle.

Serbitar View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:28 PM Post #2
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534	sure

Moon-Hawk View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:30 PM Post #3
Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715	I don't see why not. I see a lot of potential for fluff and sense to get in the way (i.e. You can mount a scope but your ork can't use it while he's firing the cannon from his hip), but generally speaking, I don't see any reason why you couldn't.

DireRadiant View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:32 PM Post #4
The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667	p. 302 Heavy weapons have a top mount, barrel mount and under barrel mount. Image Scopes use a top mount. Shouldn't be any problem putting a scope on.

LilithTaveril View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:34 PM Post #5
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 451 Joined: 8-May 06 Member No.: 8,533	Okay, second question: Is it perfectly legal, in the rules, to mount a panther cannon on a bipod? If so, I think I have my sniper rifle. I go by the maxim that, after the first shot as a sniper, you're exposed anyway. Edit: I'm also asking because, in SR3, it wasn't legal, while it apparently is in SR4 from all answers. I want to be perfectly sure. Edit 2: Nope. Confused it with the Vindicator.

DireRadiant View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:35 PM Post #6
The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667	Scope is a top mount, Bipod is a bottom mount. Shouldn't be a problem.

LilithTaveril View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:38 PM Post #7
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 451 Joined: 8-May 06 Member No.: 8,533	Thanks. Like I said, just making sure.

hobgoblin View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:40 PM Post #8
panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242	heh, in theory one could even silence this beast now...

LilithTaveril View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:45 PM Post #9
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 451 Joined: 8-May 06 Member No.: 8,533	That's kinda the angle I'm going for. We're going to try to convince a bunch of Yaks that we have a tank under the influence of invisibility and sound dampening spells. My character's job is to make that bluff convincing.

hobgoblin View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:51 PM Post #10
panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242	ye gods...

LilithTaveril View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:56 PM Post #11
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 451 Joined: 8-May 06 Member No.: 8,533	Well, if the bluff fails, we still have someone on a roof using a panther cannon as a sniper rifle. The sad thing is, one of our characters could get out of this mess by simply paying back the 2500 :nuyen: they borrowed, and then the rest of the team would be left alone.

The Jopp View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:56 PM Post #12
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948	Top mounted Smartgun link with Camera (with Image magnification and other mods). Bottom mounted Tripod and Silencer. Give the orc a pair of cool shades with imagelink and Smartlink and you are ready to go. Now you have an EVIL cannon.

LilithTaveril View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 02:59 PM Post #13
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 451 Joined: 8-May 06 Member No.: 8,533	Wouldn't adding a smartgun to a weapon that already has it be kinda redundant?

Serbitar View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 03:56 PM Post #14
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534	YOU WANT TO BACKSTAB HIM WITH A FUCKING BALLISTA ?

DireRadiant

Aug 15 2006, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE (Serbitar)

YOU WANT TO BACKSTAB HIM WITH A FUCKING BALLISTA ?

Gamers!

hobgoblin

Aug 15 2006, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE (LilithTaveril)

Well, if the bluff fails, we still have someone on a roof using a panther cannon as a sniper rifle.

The sad thing is, one of our characters could get out of this mess by simply paying back the 2500 :nuyen: they borrowed, and then the rest of the team would be left alone.

heh, what the rest of the team could do was check if there is a price on the characters head and then cash it in ;)

or just be good mates and take care of his debt (i guess the "they" is a typo or something)...

ThreeGee

Aug 15 2006, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE

I'm asking because, in one game I'm playing, my character is considering using a panther cannon as a sniper rifle.

Why bother? A Ranger Arms SM-4 loaded with Ex-Ex is better than a Panther Cannon. Both do 10P with -5 AP, but the SM-4 gets to fire every simple action.

Schaeffer View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 06:51 PM Post #18
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 12-July 06 From: Redmond,UCAS Member No.: 8,876	I believe the point of using the assault cannon is to trick someone into thinking her team has an invisible tank at their disposal; using it to reinforce the "illusion".

RunnerPaul View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 07:31 PM Post #19
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364	Now, I know that all the fluff descriptions of assault cannons having "punishing recoil" haven't mattered for much since on the crunch side of things recoil doesn't mean anything on a Single Shot weapon, but I think in this case, it should drive the type of scope you pick. Do you really want to be sticking your eye right up to an eyepiece of something mounted to a weapon that's supposed to kick like a team of mules?

Critias View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 08:38 PM Post #20
Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714	Hathcock's most famous shot (2,500 meters) was with a scope-mounted Browning M2 .50 BMG.

Jaid View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 08:58 PM Post #21
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813	the scope is wireless silly. it can just transmit what it sees to your image link =P

mfb

Aug 15 2006, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE (RunnerPaul)

Do you really want to be sticking your eye right up to an eyepiece of something mounted to a weapon that's supposed to kick like a team of mules?

if the weapon's moving around enough for the scope to hit your face when it fires, you're probably going to have a broken collarbone. the complimentary black eye will be the least of your worries. if you know how to shoot, though, that won't be a problem, because you'll be holding the weapon tightly enough that it won't move enough to hurt you.

James McMurray View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 09:03 PM Post #23
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957	That's always how I viewed the PAC firing (broken collarbone style). If they're going to give it flavor text huge recoil without a rule to back it up, it's up to the players to devise that rule. Obviously the recoil doesn't affet your shot, so it must affect something else. I opt for the collarbone, should, etc. :)

Lebo77

Aug 15 2006, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE (mfb)

QUOTE (RunnerPaul)

Do you really want to be sticking your eye right up to an eyepiece of something mounted to a weapon that's supposed to kick like a team of mules?

if the weapon's moving around enough for the scope to hit your face when it fires, you're probably going to have a broken collarbone. the complimentary black eye will be the least of your worries. if you know how to shoot, though, that won't be a problem, because you'll be holding the weapon tightly enough that it won't move enough to hurt you.

That may be true for mortal-sized weapons. But the panther is a man-portable light tank gun. I seriouslt doubt that anyone in the real world has ever fired one of those. OK, maybe there is some WWI or WWII-eara exotic anti-tank rife that fired 20mm anti-airfcraft shells useing a specialy designd muzzle-brake and massive reaction mass to keep the gun from killing the poor guy stuck fireing it, but those rounds are still tiny compared a panther round.

Unless the Panther is more like a gyro-jet rifle. Then all bets are off.

Butterblume View Member Profile	Aug 15 2006, 09:25 PM Post #25
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081	There is always the (RL) austrian 15,2mm rifle. Also, there are at least prototypes for 25mm rifles.

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