LilithTaveril
Aug 15 2006, 02:22 PM
I just want to make sure of this before I go further: Is it legal, rules-wise, to attach a scope to a panther cannon?
I'm asking because, in one game I'm playing, my character is considering using a panther cannon as a sniper rifle.
Serbitar
Aug 15 2006, 02:28 PM
sure
Moon-Hawk
Aug 15 2006, 02:30 PM
I don't see why not.
I see a lot of potential for fluff and sense to get in the way (i.e. You can mount a scope but your ork can't use it while he's firing the cannon from his hip), but generally speaking, I don't see any reason why you couldn't.
DireRadiant
Aug 15 2006, 02:32 PM
p. 302 Heavy weapons have a top mount, barrel mount and under barrel mount.
Image Scopes use a top mount. Shouldn't be any problem putting a scope on.
LilithTaveril
Aug 15 2006, 02:34 PM
Okay, second question: Is it perfectly legal, in the rules, to mount a panther cannon on a bipod? If so, I think I have my sniper rifle.
I go by the maxim that, after the first shot as a sniper, you're exposed anyway.
Edit: I'm also asking because, in SR3, it wasn't legal, while it apparently is in SR4 from all answers. I want to be perfectly sure.
Edit 2: Nope. Confused it with the Vindicator.
DireRadiant
Aug 15 2006, 02:35 PM
Scope is a top mount, Bipod is a bottom mount. Shouldn't be a problem.
LilithTaveril
Aug 15 2006, 02:38 PM
Thanks. Like I said, just making sure.
hobgoblin
Aug 15 2006, 02:40 PM
heh, in theory one could even silence this beast now...
LilithTaveril
Aug 15 2006, 02:45 PM
That's kinda the angle I'm going for. We're going to try to convince a bunch of Yaks that we have a tank under the influence of invisibility and sound dampening spells. My character's job is to make that bluff convincing.
hobgoblin
Aug 15 2006, 02:51 PM
ye gods...
LilithTaveril
Aug 15 2006, 02:56 PM
Well, if the bluff fails, we still have someone on a roof using a panther cannon as a sniper rifle.
The sad thing is, one of our characters could get out of this mess by simply paying back the 2500

they borrowed, and then the rest of the team would be left alone.
The Jopp
Aug 15 2006, 02:56 PM
Top mounted Smartgun link with Camera (with Image magnification and other mods). Bottom mounted Tripod and Silencer.
Give the orc a pair of cool shades with imagelink and Smartlink and you are ready to go.
Now you have an EVIL cannon.
LilithTaveril
Aug 15 2006, 02:59 PM
Wouldn't adding a smartgun to a weapon that already has it be kinda redundant?
Serbitar
Aug 15 2006, 03:56 PM
YOU WANT TO BACKSTAB HIM WITH A FUCKING BALLISTA ?
DireRadiant
Aug 15 2006, 04:05 PM
QUOTE (Serbitar) |
YOU WANT TO BACKSTAB HIM WITH A FUCKING BALLISTA ? |
Gamers!
hobgoblin
Aug 15 2006, 05:04 PM
QUOTE (LilithTaveril) |
Well, if the bluff fails, we still have someone on a roof using a panther cannon as a sniper rifle.
The sad thing is, one of our characters could get out of this mess by simply paying back the 2500 they borrowed, and then the rest of the team would be left alone. |
heh, what the rest of the team could do was check if there is a price on the characters head and then cash it in

or just be good mates and take care of his debt (i guess the "they" is a typo or something)...
ThreeGee
Aug 15 2006, 06:29 PM
QUOTE |
I'm asking because, in one game I'm playing, my character is considering using a panther cannon as a sniper rifle. |
Why bother? A Ranger Arms SM-4 loaded with Ex-Ex is better than a Panther Cannon. Both do 10P with -5 AP, but the SM-4 gets to fire every simple action.
Schaeffer
Aug 15 2006, 06:51 PM
I believe the point of using the assault cannon is to trick someone into thinking her team has an invisible tank at their disposal; using it to reinforce the "illusion".
RunnerPaul
Aug 15 2006, 07:31 PM
Now, I know that all the fluff descriptions of assault cannons having "punishing recoil" haven't mattered for much since on the crunch side of things recoil doesn't mean anything on a Single Shot weapon, but I think in this case, it should drive the type of scope you pick.
Do you really want to be sticking your eye right up to an eyepiece of something mounted to a weapon that's supposed to kick like a team of mules?
Critias
Aug 15 2006, 08:38 PM
Hathcock's most famous shot (2,500 meters) was with a scope-mounted Browning M2 .50 BMG.
Jaid
Aug 15 2006, 08:58 PM
the scope is wireless silly. it can just transmit what it sees to your image link =P
mfb
Aug 15 2006, 08:58 PM
QUOTE (RunnerPaul) |
Do you really want to be sticking your eye right up to an eyepiece of something mounted to a weapon that's supposed to kick like a team of mules? |
if the weapon's moving around enough for the scope to hit your face when it fires, you're probably going to have a broken collarbone. the complimentary black eye will be the least of your worries. if you know how to shoot, though, that won't be a problem, because you'll be holding the weapon tightly enough that it won't move enough to hurt you.
James McMurray
Aug 15 2006, 09:03 PM
That's always how I viewed the PAC firing (broken collarbone style). If they're going to give it flavor text huge recoil without a rule to back it up, it's up to the players to devise that rule. Obviously the recoil doesn't affet your shot, so it must affect something else. I opt for the collarbone, should, etc.
Lebo77
Aug 15 2006, 09:10 PM
QUOTE (mfb) |
QUOTE (RunnerPaul) | Do you really want to be sticking your eye right up to an eyepiece of something mounted to a weapon that's supposed to kick like a team of mules? |
if the weapon's moving around enough for the scope to hit your face when it fires, you're probably going to have a broken collarbone. the complimentary black eye will be the least of your worries. if you know how to shoot, though, that won't be a problem, because you'll be holding the weapon tightly enough that it won't move enough to hurt you.
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That may be true for mortal-sized weapons. But the panther is a man-portable light tank gun. I seriouslt doubt that anyone in the real world has ever fired one of those. OK, maybe there is some WWI or WWII-eara exotic anti-tank rife that fired 20mm anti-airfcraft shells useing a specialy designd muzzle-brake and massive reaction mass to keep the gun from killing the poor guy stuck fireing it, but those rounds are still tiny compared a panther round.
Unless the Panther is more like a gyro-jet rifle. Then all bets are off.
Butterblume
Aug 15 2006, 09:25 PM
There is always the (RL) austrian 15,2mm rifle. Also, there are at least prototypes for 25mm rifles.
Brahm
Aug 15 2006, 09:58 PM
I think the Barret XM-109 is well into the prototype stage, as they were suppose to start deploying them into combat a couple years ago for field tests. It isn't my thing to keep track of it, but there are people here that like to do that, so maybe someone that is can chime in on what the latest word is. Anyway,
check out size of the muzzlebrake. 
That said the barrel length of the PAC looks a lot closer to that of an M82. The M82, a 12.7mm / .50 cal weapon, is pictured for comparison on page 3 of the linked PDF. A significantly longer barrel not only is going to give higher muzzle velocity, but it would tend to up the recoil, although a lot of recoil compensation has already been put into the XM-109 to start with.
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