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Astelaron
post Aug 19 2006, 02:35 AM
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Tyrants can be Clothes Horses Too!
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HullBreach
post Aug 19 2006, 02:57 AM
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LOL thats pretty wild!
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post Aug 19 2006, 03:14 AM
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His site's down.

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post Aug 19 2006, 04:07 AM
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Hmm. The begining of FFBA...
and the site is up again.
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post Aug 19 2006, 04:12 AM
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Not where I am. Google cache doesn't have anything either--what is it like?

(Just in case, note that I'm talking about Mr. Caballero's site, not the linked article)

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post Aug 19 2006, 04:16 AM
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It's about bullet-proof clothing. As in, the kind of clothing you can wear around the house or to a social function.

Edit: From what I see, he doesn't have a website. I've got nothing. But, I have the flaw of incompetence (search engines).
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post Aug 19 2006, 05:02 AM
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those thing won't stop much. I garuntee you that.
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post Aug 19 2006, 06:04 AM
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It's about tricking suckers into buying that crap. Bravo to the company that can sell them.
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post Aug 19 2006, 06:17 AM
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Well, the best part is the fact that you can easily buy a gun that shoots through it. I can imagine some idiot buying those clothes and attempting to rob a bank.
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post Aug 19 2006, 06:35 AM
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:rotfl:
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post Aug 19 2006, 08:02 AM
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How big a gun would it take to pierce this armor? It seems to me that this clothing is primarily intended not to protect one from BFGs, but rather to protect one from pistols and other handguns. Handguns may deal less damage, but they're the most common type of firearm used by criminals according to this report from the U.S. Justice Department. Some of their findings:
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According to the Victim Survey (NCVS), 25% of the victims of rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault in 1993 faced an offender armed with a handgun.  Of all firearm-related crime reported to the survey, 86% involved handguns.
The FBI's Supplemental Homicide Reports show that 57% of all murders in 1993 were committed with hand-guns, 3% with rifles, 5% with shotguns, and 5% with firearms where the type was unknown.
The 1991 Survey of State Prison Inmates found that violent inmates who used a weapon were more likely to use a handgun than any other weapon; 24% of all violent inmates reported that they used a handgun.
Research by Wright and Rossi in the 1980's found that most criminals prefer guns that are easily concealable....

This suggests to me that, when criminals are picking out their firearms, they tend to go for the smaller-sized ones. Now, I'm far from a weapons expert, so I could very easily be wrong, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that this bulletproof clothing is sufficient to protect one from handgun fire (we know that the coat is at least strong enough to stop a revolver bullet) - and AFAIK, this will be enough to protect today's corporate wageslaves from the kind of gunfire they are likely to encounter. Note that these clothes are being marketed to corporate wageslaves, not to soldiers, gangers, shadowrunners, or other non-white collar types.
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post Aug 19 2006, 08:10 AM
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Exactly, the suckers :D
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post Aug 19 2006, 08:19 AM
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QUOTE (Samaels Ghost)
Exactly, the suckers :D

yeah, because who wants a dental plan and a steady paycheck. also being able to form healthy, stable, long lasting relationships is for lamers am i rite?!?!1



:D jk, of course. after all, who has healthy and stable relationships anymore!

:( ever since I broke up with my gf it's hard to look at a woman without seeing the evil :(




on a more relevant note; it's interesting to see the market open up in this direction, though. mainstreaming these sorts of products is a sign of a different mindset on the part of society... these products may not be zomg supar31337, but give time to develope, they may become viable.
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post Aug 19 2006, 08:38 AM
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How big a gun would it take to pierce this armor?

It is most likely NIJ level III-A armor, so any high velocity rounds will do -- FN P90/HK MP7 -like weapons, any rifles, or any sort of armor piercing ammunition will go right through. Or you can just shoot him in the groin, legs, arms or head.
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post Aug 19 2006, 02:52 PM
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Or if you know he is wearing bullet proof clothing you could just use a knife, it wont stop that, of corse then you have to get close. But hey, if people want to buy it let them. Fewer fools on earth, ;) Just kidding!
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post Aug 19 2006, 03:13 PM
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Or just go right at the stuff with a heavy pistol round and let the kenetic energy break ribs.
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post Aug 19 2006, 06:27 PM
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You can get versions of the clothes made to stop knives as well. So buy a long coat with level III-A and an undershirt with stab protection and you'll be protected from everything up to an UZI. The undershirt might even decrease the chance of broken ribs.

Here is the clothing website for those that havn't found it already.
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post Aug 19 2006, 06:36 PM
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So, basically, you're still royally fucked when someone pulls out a .45
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post Aug 19 2006, 07:05 PM
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eh? no. unless i'm mistaken, any vest that will stop a 9mm (small and fast, ergo more likely to pierce something) is going to stop a .45 (big and slow, ergo less likely to pierce something). broken ribs are another matter--albeit one you're likely to survive, all else being equal.
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post Aug 19 2006, 07:12 PM
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And when he thinks he just put you down with one shot, and he comes over to rifle your pocket, you put your .45 colt in his face and send him a couple rounds of hollowpoint loving.

Of course, preferably you would have shot him before he shot you, but as long as you live to see tomorrow's sunrise and he dosen't, s'all good. Failing that, as long as you live to see tomorrow's sunrise....
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post Aug 19 2006, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (mfb)
eh? no. unless i'm mistaken, any vest that will stop a 9mm (small and fast, ergo more likely to pierce something) is going to stop a .45 (big and slow, ergo less likely to pierce something). broken ribs are another matter--albeit one you're likely to survive, all else being equal.

Actually, no. Type II protects against 9mm, but doesn't stop a .45. Keep in mind that, in the testing they did in the article, the pistol was a .38.

Now, looking at their catalogue, I can say that the clothes will be useful against a .45, and will definitely be useful for robbing a bank with (up until the guys with rifles arrive).
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post Aug 19 2006, 11:37 PM
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Pretty cool.
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post Aug 19 2006, 11:46 PM
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It's about tricking suckers into buying that crap. Bravo to the company that can sell them.

Right. It won't stand up to continued assault from every gun firing every type of round known to man, so obviously its completely useless.
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post Aug 20 2006, 12:54 AM
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Some people won't be happy until they get a Hampster Ball of Invincibility™ and can go rolling through town with no care about how many RPGs are fired at them.
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post Aug 20 2006, 03:44 AM
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Well, you can actually do that now. You just need a lot of titanium and a really large hill.
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