Invincible Troll, Help with an annoying player/character Options

[Rotbart van Dain...]

[James McMurray]

Invisibility won't hide a muzzle flash from the troll's gun, and that's all you need to tell you where to drop the grenades. 4 Guys with underbarrel grenade launchers can drop 8 grenades on him that all go off instantly. Make 2 of those thermal smoke just in case (because you've got ultrasound and grenades). The other 6 can be whatever your favorite grenade type is. I like chemical splash grenades personally.

[Butterblume]

Supressive fire isn't bad against an invisible enemy, if you have an idea were the enemy is. In the case of this troll it won't work, I think ;).

[hobgoblin]

edit:

never mind...

[Cabral]

Hmm. I hope Arsenal, or whatever updates one of my favorites: Freeze Foam.

Trap the troll in a Barrier Rating 12 wall :)

Until it's update, I guess you could just use the Man & Machine specs but those hit must suceed on an Agility (Net hits on initial attack) test or be immobilized in the barrier 12 wall.

I loved making characters with Freeze Foam, Slip Spray and Splat Glue in Splash Grenades (all from Man & Machine pgs 112 - 117).

[hobgoblin]

hmm, sounds like the trapper, a marvel villain...

[Aaron]

[Brahm]

[Sammiel]

yeah, if you have powergaming players, than powergame the opposition right back at them. throw a brick wall of a troll with counterspell support and see how they like it.

Barring that, shoot the mage.

[Rotbart van Dain...]

Bah, kill'em all - use Doom, Ebola+ and 7seven combined... that'll teach'em. :S

[Zen Shooter01]

You could try putting challenges in front of them that can't be defeated with violence. This will shrink the troll's usefulness.

Also keep in mind that violence draws attention. Law enforcement, criminal syndicates, corporate or national counter-intelligence wetwork teams; any of these might be powerfully motivated to put a stop to the rampage that is rocking the good ship Status Quo. They will deploy significant resources to finding, surveilling, and then ambushing the troll at the time and place the least to his advantage. Like for example, when he's alone.

You might try a camoflaged rotodrone with an LMG standing off at a hundred and fifty meters or so, for starters.

[Ravor]

Although I'm starting to get a funny vibe that my leg is being tugged on, I'll bite and respond anyways...

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Personally I fall into the camp demanding for his build to be posted before offering ways to geek him, err... I mean show him the error of thinking he's all powerful, yeah, thats it. *winks*

Seriously though, either someone has got to have misread a rule somewhere to have as serious of a problem as you've described, unless of course as someone has pointed out, your corp-sec are played as first day cadets who stand out in the open as their buddies are slaughtered...

[kzt]

How about 4 Steel Lynx, with suppressed smartlinked LMGs, 200 round belts of APDS and with the full load of vision enhancements? If you include the nearly free RF scanner you can pick up the traffic between his team and him, which can have them direct their attentions to the team if appropriate. A $20,000 drone can include all of this, with goodies like non-conductivity 6, ultrasonic vision, targeting 4 and clearsight 4.

I found they didn't do a whole lot against a dragon with armor 8 running (hardened armor sucks), but they will tend to do a number against most anything less. 6P with -5 armor tends to hurt things, particularly when you use some drones firing wide bursts and other narrow bursts.

[Kremlin KOA]

i would use a varient of thesteeel wall defense, leave the troll trapped and force the rest ofthe teamto find an alternate way to get to the other side of the coroned offarea o release it


also in the citymaster option

agi 7
pist6
spec warhawk 2
smartlink 2
aiming 1
reflex recorder 1

19 dice
lose 4 dice for extra damage

so we will look at 15 dice
15 dice is 5 successes

round down is 5 leaving 10 left to roll with the edge reroll

giving another 3-4 successes

easily enough
gives 20-21damage against 32 dice soak
about 10 damage on average

so it is within acceptable levels of luck to pull that off

lets assume lucky hit

[ZenOgre]

In all this discussion, I note the lack of a response from the OP.
As for my suggestions ( mirroring a lot of what's already been said ).
Go with Frag grenades for the win, with pressure sensors and gas/liquid vector drugs and inhibitors. May not kill him, but you'll probably knock him out. so yeah, set up a situation so that if he's "kill Kill KILL!", he'll get pics and anon notes that he should be more careful of his ident and safety, if he wish's to live much longer.

[Thanee]

Expert Gunman + Ares Alpha + Ultrasound + APDS + Full Burst = Troll in a world of pain

Bye
Thanee

[Sammiel]

Expensive Ammo and Bigger Guns are the last resort of a bad GM or one that doesn't have any control over his campaign. Nine times out of ten, when you throw bigger guns and bigger ammo at your invincitroll, the only thing that happens is you now have a party equipped with bigger guns, bigger ammo, and aforementioned invincitroll.

Several good options have been mentioned in this thread, but honestly, the best solution to this is the OOC one.

Quite frankly, if your players respect you at all, than you need to explain to the troll player that he is disrupting the game, and needs to roll a different character. Tell him he can have all his nuyen and karma for the new character, but he can't keep playing his current one.

Quite frankly, this is why my favorite shadowrun group imposed a troll moratorium, where no trolls were allowed unless everyone was a troll. The one glaring failure of balance above all others in Shadowrun, imo, is Trolls as a playable race.

[knasser]

[Brahm]

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[Brahm]

[Zen Shooter01]

Knasser is absolutely correct. In my opinion, trolls are very nearly unplayable as a PC race.

They don't fit in most cars. The team evacuates in a van, the troll has to jog home.

Even a room with eight foot ceilings is six inches to a foot too short, and the average hallway, which is about three to four feet wide, is rather narrow for them. I routinely penalize them two dice to physical skills in small spaces. And even post-Awakening, most construction will not accomodate them because it doesn't make economic sense. You're going to make everything a meter taller and wider (and subsequently more expensive to heat and cool) just to accomodate 4% of the population? Not usually.

And their size and rarity make them stand out in a crowd. Trolls are extremely conspicuous in an inconspicuous line of work.

[Lazerface]

[James McMurray]

The first post being meant as a troll or not doesn't really matter. If it was, it failed because there's no fighting going on. If it wasn't, it succeeded in starting up a conversation that rehashes conversations had last month and the month before that. :)

[Thanee]

[Samoth]

I don't see the problem. If he's effective in combat, why punish him? You'd think every runner group would love to have a guy like him: someone they can send into the fray without having to worry about protecting themselves.