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 Sep 2 2006, 10:17 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 6-September 02 Member No.: 3,234  |
The spirit list for the Norse tradition gives Beast spirits for Manipulation, however, the text mentions Guardian, Fire, Water, Air, Earth as the spirits that Asatru mystics may summon. Moreover, animal spirits do not play a really significant role in Norse myth, in comparison to elemental, faerie, or warrior spirits. Therefore, I think this is a bug and Earth should be the Manipulation correspondence for Norse magicians.
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Sep 3 2006, 12:14 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Well, the famous Berserkers get their powers from being possessed by animal spirits, I would call that significant. However... that's not the Asatru tradition and has its own bunch of spirits that it uses.
So yeah, I would say that's a misprint. Good catch. -Frank |
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Sep 3 2006, 07:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 6-September 02 Member No.: 3,234 |
Most likely a partially-edited Copy/Paste from another tradition (Aztecs, probably). |
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Sep 4 2006, 04:16 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I wrote the Aztec tradition and Synner handled the Norse, so while it might be a copy/paste error, I doubt it's a copy/paste typo between those two. :P
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Sep 4 2006, 10:45 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 6-September 02 Member No.: 3,234 |
Acknowledged. It still looks like a typical author copy/paste error, though. |
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Sep 4 2006, 02:55 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
It's definitely an error, but I'm not sure it's a copy/paste error. Something screwy seems to have gone down when the traditions were being coalated. The Path of the Wheel got its spirit assignments inverted - and fixed - at least twice. As far as I can tell, that section is just cursed. -Frank |
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Sep 4 2006, 07:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 6-September 02 Member No.: 3,234 |
Then it looks like the new spirit categories detailed in Street Magic really don't want to be summoned and did their worst to throw the tradition correspondences into disarray and protect their formulas :spin: |
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Sep 4 2006, 07:45 PM
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It's because FanPro skipped over the Tantrist tradition ... |
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Sep 4 2006, 07:56 PM
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I noticed this mistake when I first read SM, but assumed the mistake was the text, not the spirit correspondences. A similar text problem appears in the Hindu tradition on pg. 38-39:
Hindu magicians cannot summon fire spirits. They have exactly the same spirits and spell category correspondences as druids on the same page. Which is the mistake, the text or the spirit list? I could see dropping Plant in favor of Fire, but I have no knowledge of Hindu mysticism whatsoever. For that matter, why do Islamic magicians summon Plant spirits? If they're that obsessed with the oases, why not water spirits instead of date trees? I can imagine a Guardian in the form of djinn, but Plant? Not so much. Maybe Task instead, if one was willing to have them in a non-possessory tradition? (Guidance I can imagine providing a theological problem.) |
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Sep 4 2006, 07:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 9,059 |
SM pg. 36:
Other Buddhists follow local cultural magical traditions that are not related to their religion. |
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Sep 4 2006, 08:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 734 Joined: 30-August 05 Member No.: 7,646 |
I was more joking about about what I suppose would be more acurately described as Neotantra. :)
I would actually write up a tantric tradition as a possession based tradition. |
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Sep 4 2006, 08:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 6-September 02 Member No.: 3,234 |
Hmm, it looks like the Tradition section of SM is going to end up and result buggier than a Microsoft beta release. :eek: Lessee... as regards the Islamic tradition, I indeed reckon it as a mistake, too. Arabic mystic tradition has much more affinity with the elements than with animals or plants (they are more akin to hermetics), so Plant should be stricken off from the Health correspondence and substituted with Water. As regards Hindu, well, it's slightly more difficult to adjudicate: the text, which I reckon to be a more reliable reference than the bare list, where it is far easier to put a mistake, both mentions animal, fire and plant spirits, so it can't be used to decide. From what I know of Hindu mysticism, however, fire plays a rather central part in their mythology (Agni, god of and personification of fire, is one of the most important deities in the Veda), and has surely more importance than plants. Therefore I'd suggest to remove Plants from the Health correspondence and substitute it with Fire. Some comment from the authors would be welcome, though, as mine as nothing but educated and reasoned guesses. The need for a Street Magic errata is quickly mounting... :( |
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