 Evidence of mana level rising., Does it exist? |
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 Sep 13 2006, 10:25 PM
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019  |
At least in the rules. I think it does. You can summon really powerful spirits now, and you don't have to learn a new spell for each force. Then again, binding really sucks now.
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Sep 13 2006, 10:27 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
I don't think a major change to the rules mechanics can be sensibly interpreted as a rise in the mana level.
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Sep 13 2006, 10:30 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
Why not? The major change to the rules mechanics as they pertain to the matrix represents a technology increase.
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Sep 13 2006, 10:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 9,059 |
It represents a drastic technological leap forward. Mana increase in SR follows a gentler upward slope.
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Sep 13 2006, 10:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 281 Joined: 9-September 06 Member No.: 9,346 |
The new sourcebook, Mana Dead Zones, slated to release at the beginning of '07 should take care of that. From my understanding, it will bring the game back in line with it's respectable cyberpunk roots, stamping out these nonsensical fantasy delusions of grandeur.
Like anyone wants to play a fantasy game. |
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Sep 13 2006, 11:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 6-September 02 Member No.: 3,234 |
Dude, a strong epic urban fantasy element is an integral part of Shadowrun's appeal. If I wanted to have pure cyberpunk fare, there's plenty of other games around. Or at least, they were, since I notice that many of them are dead or marginal in the genre, while hybrid Shadowrun has always kept a strong presence. Says something about the appeal of pure cyberpunk, eh :P |
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Sep 13 2006, 11:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 281 Joined: 9-September 06 Member No.: 9,346 |
Pah!
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Sep 14 2006, 03:16 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
the evidence of mana levels rising is mainly found in new types of spirits (mostly unpleasant) showing up, astral shallows, mana surges, mana storms, new paracritters, SURGE, and so forth.
oh, and some new metamagics are supposed to be easier/possible now due to mana levels rising i think... not 100% sure, but i thought i saw that in some SR3 book... which i can't remember the name of... so i'm probably just delusional on that point... ah well =P |
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Sep 14 2006, 07:04 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
If anything, mana levels are lower in the new rules. In 2050, 1% of the population was magicians with a Magic Attribute of 6. In 2070, 1% of the population are Awakened, most of them have a Magic Attribute of 1 and many of them have inane partial awakenings like "Spell Knack" and "Astral Sight".
The number of people who can throw a Force 6 spell without bleeding from the asshole has dropped from fifty million in 2050 to about 6 million in 2070. That's a huge drop in mana levels. On demographics alone, the mana trends are clearly negative. -Frank |
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Sep 14 2006, 07:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 165 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,002 |
Just wandering where you found this title mentioned. |
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Sep 14 2006, 07:55 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 165 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,002 |
Or they finally checked their math. |
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Sep 14 2006, 11:13 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
I see the international "Geek the Mage" movement has been very successful
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Sep 14 2006, 01:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 633 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 8,301 |
I would say that you can't really compare SR4 Magic ratings to prior editions. Mages aren't necessarily weaker because they have Magic at less than 6. If anything, an SR4 mage with Magic 6 seems more powerful than a mage with Magic 6 from previous editions.
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 Sep 14 2006, 01:21 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,394 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
The mana level is roughly the same. Those little details don't really make a difference.
Bye Thanee |
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 Sep 14 2006, 01:44 PM
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Details like Shedim? ;)
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Sep 14 2006, 04:09 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Shedim aren't indicitive of increasing mana levels, they're indicitive of the proof-beyond-doubt that there are more metaplanes than you can shake a stick at, and a disturbing notion about exactly what asshole-of-the-metaplanes Ghostwalker had his spirit stashed. |
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Sep 14 2006, 05:24 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 56 Joined: 14-August 06 Member No.: 9,113 |
It isn't that mana levels have risen, it's the research done in SOTA:2065. Universal theory of magic or whatever they called it.
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Sep 14 2006, 09:00 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
i thought the invae showing up was a sign of mana levels increasing at least...
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Sep 14 2006, 09:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Detroit Member No.: 4,642 |
This is a sign that the mana levels are rising. Soon dormant volcanoes will be exploding all over the place. Time to do a little geneological research and see if I have any NA blood...
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Sep 14 2006, 10:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 806 |
I can't get rid of the mental image of shedims' astral appearance as metroids...
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