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> Does DS still need two Shadowrun forums?, ..one for 4th and one for the rest..
Do you think the "Shadowrun" and "Shadowrun 4" forums might as well be merged now?
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Tanka
post Feb 20 2007, 04:08 AM
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Hey, look, they've been flipped.

Fancy that.
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post Feb 20 2007, 01:09 PM
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Why not merge it?  Compared to 3rd, 4th is still wholly incomplete.  No vehicle creation, no 'ware book, no guns book, very little update on the world as of now.

Do you need a seperate vehicle creation book, a seperate cyber/bioware book and a gun book to be a "real" Shadowrun game? You haven't ever managed to play a game with just the BBB?

As to an update on the world, IMHO, if it hasn't been explicitly listed as changing, then there hasn't been a change. The General Shadowrun FAQ says:
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Which sourcebooks from previous editions are still compatible with Shadowrun Fourth Edition?

Since we completely overhauled the rules and core game mechanics, none of the rulebooks from previous editions are compatible with SR4. We did not alter the setting very much, however--other than updating the Matrix and moving the timeline ahead a few years to 2070--so any book that is primarily source material (not rules) is still compatible. You can find notes on which books are and aren't compatible [at http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/products/sr4_c...ompatible.shtml].
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post Feb 20 2007, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE (Banaticus)
QUOTE (Tanka)
Why not merge it?  Compared to 3rd, 4th is still wholly incomplete.  No vehicle creation, no 'ware book, no guns book, very little update on the world as of now.

Do you need a seperate vehicle creation book, a seperate cyber/bioware book and a gun book to be a "real" Shadowrun game? You haven't ever managed to play a game with just the BBB?

In my experience, new core books make current characters obsolete and thus end campaigns. If you know new core books are coming (supposedly soon) and thus your campaign/game is going to get ruined, you tend to put off starting said campaign/game. Why? Because the choice is playing without all the good stuff, or staying with the complete (incompatable) ruleset. And this is an issue even if you don't refuse to play SR4 because you hate the new rules.
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post Feb 21 2007, 11:47 AM
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Do you need a seperate vehicle creation book, a seperate cyber/bioware book and a gun book to be a "real" Shadowrun game? You haven't ever managed to play a game with just the BBB?

I do, yes. There was quite a bit of gear that didn't show up between 3rd and 4th BBB. Magic players, if they didn't have any custom gear or non-standard equipment, can now continue thanks to Street Magic. Street Sammies and the like can't continue as effectively, thanks to the loss of information.

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As to an update on the world, IMHO, if it hasn't been explicitly listed as changing, then there hasn't been a change.  The General Shadowrun FAQ says:

There's still at least a five year gap in the various histories of the world. Sure, the BBB covers some of it, but not enough to continue in other parts of the world where nothing or very little was mentioned.

As tisoz said; if you're in a long campaign, I don't think you'd want to switch over until you have all the information you had with 3rd Ed, and that's even if you'd want to switch over at all.
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