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Drraagh

Sep 24 2006, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE (nezumi)

Yes, you are welcome to use what I wrote :) I love to see the racists portrayed a little more... real.

Imitation Racism, nine out of ten gamers can't tell the difference.*

*: Even though most of them put up with it throughout most of their school life. :D

Eyeless Blond View Member Profile	Sep 24 2006, 07:37 PM Post #77
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Eyeless Blond

Sep 25 2006, 12:57 AM

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They may not want to work for 250 years or so, but the fact remains that they /could/. Biogtry and racism never needed facts, just fear. And that's what gives it its power. It's like a conspiracy, it doesn't have to make any sense, it just has to be beliveable.

Not only *could* they work for 250 years, they may well have to! Even working for a quarter of a millenium, an elf would still have another 100-150 years or so of retirement to look forward to. Just look at what's happenned to inflation, technology, the average spending level in 150 years. In 1920, you could get dinner and a movie for a dime. Yearly salaries were in the tens to hundreds of dollars. That was eighty years ago; a retired elf will live twice that long! Think of how much inflation will have reduced their savings to nothing in that amount of time, without millions in investments to keep them afloat.

DragginSPADE View Member Profile	Sep 25 2006, 01:06 AM Post #79
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 130 Joined: 25-February 05 Member No.: 7,119	Okay, about three pages ago I said I'd try to look up canon references to Ork and Troll ages when I got a chance. SR1 pages 25-29: Dwarves - "Their life span is unverified, but predictions based on metabolic rates run to over a hundred years." Elves - "Elven life expectancy is unverified; claims that there were Elves already adult when the UGE syndrome became widespread indicate possible life spans of several hundred years, but metabolic studies are inconclusive." Humans - "The worldwide average Human life span is 75 years." Orks - "The typcial life span appears to be between 35 and 40 years." Trolls - "Metabolic studies and direct observation indicate a life expectency of about 50 years." Shadowrun 2 pages 36-38 say the same thing with almost identical wording. Neither edition core book mentions ages of Orks and Trolls that goblinized vs. those who were born that way, but I'm still sure I've read that somewhere. If I happen to come across the reference I'll post it, but I don't have much free time to hunt through all my sourcebooks for it.

Dranem

Sep 25 2006, 04:55 AM

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If I remember correctly, the father of Kham is a leader of the ork underground; he was a human who goblinized into an ork. He was abou 40 years of age, and looked like it; but his mother was born ork, and she at forty-somthing looked like an old woman(ork)...

I think it was in Never Trust An Elf that it explain that when a human goblinize, he keep aging like a human; but if a ork get born as an ork, he will have a shorter lifespan...

Ok, this was never addressed, so I thought I'd poke my nose in.

In the book 'Never Trust and Elf' Kham's grandfather was in his 50s and the leader of the Ork underground. Attending to him was and elderly looking Ork woman, who was Kham's mother - supposedly to be only in her mid-30s. The fact that Kham's mother looked older than his grandfather (he was a human goblinized, not born Ork) was the big controversy of the story.... Dodger and his mentor (apparently spike babies), barely looked to be out of their 20s - yet both had been around since before the Awakening.

Like a few users here on Dumpshock, I like to give a little artistic license to the book stories and not take it to be cannon, seeing as some novels I've read seem to barely follow cannon at all. My opinion on Trolls and Orks is that, since many are in the low income bracket - often below poverty level, they generally have shorter lives. Not because they age faster than humans, but because their lifestyle and consequent lack of advanced medical care shortens their lives.

Kyrn

Sep 26 2006, 03:02 PM

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Not only *could* they work for 250 years, they may well have to! Even working for a quarter of a millenium, an elf would still have another 100-150 years or so of retirement to look forward to. Just look at what's happenned to inflation, technology, the average spending level in 150 years. In 1920, you could get dinner and a movie for a dime. Yearly salaries were in the tens to hundreds of dollars. That was eighty years ago; a retired elf will live twice that long! Think of how much inflation will have reduced their savings to nothing in that amount of time, without millions in investments to keep them afloat.

Yeah, but imagine the kind of rates a professional with a hundred and fifty years experience could command. Lawyers make the majority of their money in the five to ten years before they retire, and I imagine at least some other professions are similar. That's a lot of time to climb the corporate ladder and acquire funds so vast as to never have to worry about money again.

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