 Lorelei Angel, Where have I heard that name before? |
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 Oct 22 2003, 11:05 AM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185  |
I was going over Dunkie's Will recently and I found the following legacy:
Embarassingly (for me) I can't seem to track down previous references to Ms. Angel in canon material even though I'm dead certain there are some. So I'm falling back on all you SR fanboys out there for help. |
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Oct 22 2003, 01:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
Could it be a reference to Thalia?
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Oct 22 2003, 01:40 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
For some reason I'm more inclined to her being a 1st Ed. rock- or sim-star like Maria Mercurial but again the actual reference iludes me.
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Oct 22 2003, 02:12 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
She's a musician from way back in the day. When I return to mine demesne and have access to my library again, I'll see what I can find.
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Oct 22 2003, 02:57 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
You might have to skim the 1st edition media book, but I'm inclined to think it was a "fluff" piece designed to flesh out the will and possibly offer a plot hook.
Not unlike the "Excalibur" reference. -Siege |
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Oct 22 2003, 04:53 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
I may be off base here, but I thought the Excalibur reference was aimed squarely at our good friend Harlequin - along with Richard the Lionheart's armor, he's now equipped for his task of leading a Great Crusade against the Horrors. I don't remember whether the will came before Harley's Back or after...
...and wait a second, Lorelei's name sounds familiar. Wasn't she affiliated with Dunkie earlier in his career? A translator maybe? |
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Oct 22 2003, 05:05 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
It was -- but then Dunk also said
Which means one of two things: 1) Excalibur does exist and a whole bunch of people just wet themselves 2) Excalibur doesn't exist and Dunk just made a bunch of people wet themselves for no reason -Siege |
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Oct 22 2003, 05:11 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
@ Reg:
H'sB is before Dunkie's Will, which in turn is after World without End. |
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Oct 22 2003, 05:18 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
No, the order is:
Harlequin's Back House of the SUn Worlds Without End Dunkelzahn's Will The general consensus is that Excalibur doesn't exist, although it might come into beings. Certainly there was one on the metaplanes...but it might not be a reflection of the actual sword. All those interested, read Tom Dowd's short story "Post Mortem," on my site among others. |
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Oct 22 2003, 07:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 654 |
How does "House of the Sun" come into this matter, just as a place holder in the list?
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Oct 22 2003, 07:59 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
It invovled Harlequin and the horrors, and occurred between Harlequin's Back and Worlds WIthout End, 'cause Harley makes that clear in WWE. I like to be inclusive.
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Oct 22 2003, 09:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 488 Joined: 4-August 03 From: Amidst the ruins of Silicon Valley. Member No.: 5,242 |
Hmmm. I had thought that, given the ending of Harlequin's Back, the Horrors were kind of pushed back from the realms of Man. How were they so close to breaking through in House of the Sun if that's the case?
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Oct 22 2003, 09:31 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
ANother group of idjits built another bridge...or, to be corect, opened a doorway. Harelquin's astral quest prevented the Horrors from coming through the Ghost Dance Spike, at least until Thayla fell. Other mana spikes, summonings and gateways could allow them to enter. Summonings would still work, but the Dragon Heart diffuses mana spikes now, and I imagine any gateways would be visible too, and well guarded.
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Oct 22 2003, 09:40 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Arrggg. Checked Shadowbeat and still nothing. I know it's out there but where? I just know I won't get this out of my mind until I find it.
To spice things up for potential helpers I promise I'll try my best to include the nick of anyone who finds the reference as a shadowtalker in some upcoming published work. (How's that for a carrot?) ;) |
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Oct 22 2003, 09:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 326 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Vigo (Spanish Kingdom) Member No.: 1,446 |
That's cheating!!! :S :grinbig:
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Oct 22 2003, 11:25 PM
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Harlequin Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 331 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 861 |
I don't have the book atm (and I don't know when I'll get it back) so I decided to post my hunch here. I think she might be in Dreamchipper, but I'm not sure. Anyone who can check it out?
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Oct 23 2003, 12:18 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 12-August 03 From: Columbia, SC, USA Member No.: 5,411 |
In a past campaign of mine, Excalibur was the middle ages name of a sword from Earthdawn called the "Purifier." The Purifier is one of the (if not the most) powerful magic items from Earthdawn. The Purifier is a devastating weapon against the Horrors, and it can kill nearly any Horror (with a few exceptions) if properly threaded (think of unlocking levels of the sword like in SNES Legend of Zelda). If Harlequin was going to be fighting the Horrors, I would wager that would be an important weapon to have.
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Oct 23 2003, 12:18 AM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
I got most of those old modules and I *KNOW* I've heard her name before. We'll see when I get home tonight.
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Oct 23 2003, 12:29 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
See? Frustrating isn't it? |
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Oct 23 2003, 01:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 5-March 03 From: Wouldn't you like to know? Member No.: 4,203 |
I'm Not sure if i remember correctly and since most of my books are in storage right now I can't look it up to be sure. But The old adventure Dark Angel might be the place you need to look.I'm pretty sure the runners are hired to guard a singer and as usual its more than meets the eye. I could be wrong since my memory is failing me of late. I will confirm this tomorrow as I will make a special trip to the storage place just to retrive the "lost volumes" as I like to call them.
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Oct 23 2003, 01:27 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 97 Joined: 17-March 03 Member No.: 4,269 |
Well, I don't know if this counts but... Portfolio of a Dragon pg 12
The song she is singing happens to be "My Shining Hour" by Harold Arlen So that is all I got. She shows up singing at Dunkelzahn's inauguration party, and it's implied that she is a famous musician. |
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Oct 23 2003, 01:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 460 |
[ Spoiler ] By way of that I've read the following (or rather briefly skimmed) One Stage Before Dragon Hunt Dark Angel Celtic Double Cross Queen Euphoria Double Exposure Imago Ivy & Chrome Divided Assets Bottled Demon A Killing Glare I didn't find anything in there, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It was a fairly quick skim, but the name didn't pop out at me in looking at any of them. Unfortuneately, that pretty much exhausts my supply of old-school adventure mods. |
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Oct 23 2003, 05:57 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,311 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 2,062 |
WHAM! pg. 13, MitS.
I'd like my Shadowtalk now. :grinbig: :D :grinbig: :D :grinbig: :D |
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Oct 23 2003, 08:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 460 |
So I log on to post my discovery after god knows how many hours of searching ....
And Large Mike beat me! ARGGGGGHHHHH! H8 for you Mr. Big Mikey buy! :mad: Good job though, and sorry, but no other referances found by me. I'd still place bets that she's included in a 1E adventure somewhere, just not one I have access to. |
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Oct 23 2003, 09:15 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Thanks Mike. You'll get your ST the first chance I get. However, MitS is relatively recent and I'm pretty sure it was a 1st Ed reference. She wasn't the focus of any of the adventures which means she was either mentioned in fluff fiction in a sourcebook or the Seattle Intelligencer at the back of one of the adventure books.
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