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Fortune
post Nov 2 2006, 07:24 AM
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Let's start with a book quote ...

QUOTE (SR4-pg. 109)
The unmodified skill rating assigned at character creation or purchased during game play is considered to be the characterís base skill rating. Some abilities and implants (as noted) may increase this rating, creating a modified skill rating. A modified skill cannot exceed the base skill rating x 1.5 (making 9 the maximum possible rating, or 10 with the Aptitude quality). Specializations, spells, and other implants may provide bonus dice to a skill, but do not change the base skill rating. These extra dice are listed in parentheses after the base skill, as in Spellcasting 4 (+2).


Now my questions/comments in relation to the above quote ...

Retarded comments retracted!!! :oops:
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Jack Kain
post Nov 2 2006, 07:41 AM
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The quote above apples to skills not attributes.

When dealing with attributes the augmented maximum is simiilar, but its the racial maxmimum x1.5 not the persons current stat. Exceptional Attribute can of course increase this.

A human canít have a strength augmented over 9. But a human COULD have a natural strength of 4 and rating 4 muscle replacement and a superthyroid gland. (making it effectivly 9) but at this point increasing his natural strength would be pointless.

The qoute refers to cyberware/bioware ands spells that grant bonus to skills this is to prevent huge dice pools and characters depending on skill boosters over skills.
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post Nov 2 2006, 07:42 AM
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One of many reasons why I just rip those annoying caps right off.
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Fortune
post Nov 2 2006, 07:46 AM
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I'm a retard!!! It's alright, just extreme old age setting in. :eek:

Honestly, I read that Skills quote before going to bed, woke up with 'inspiration', and didn't even stop to see the obviously blatant error of my ways. I have no other defense. :oops:

So, in other words, Nothing to see here! Move along! :wavey:
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post Nov 2 2006, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Kain @ Nov 2 2006, 06:41 PM)
The qoute refers to cyberware such as skill wires that give bonus to skills there designed for.

Actually, at the moment, that quote is only relevant to Reflex Enhancers and an Adept's Improved Ability Power. I don't recall anything else that specifically adds to the Skill level, as opposed to adding Dice. Even Skillwires aren't covered by it, and in fact directly break the rule, because they give you a Skill at a particular level, whether you possess that Skill beforehand or not.

Honestly, I knew all this crap! I don't know what happened to my brain for the past hour.
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post Nov 2 2006, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE (Fortune)
So, in other words, Nothing to see here! Move along! :wavey:

Actually, not quite true. I hadn't noticed, or I had forgotten that Tailored Pheros do NOT augment Charisma directly. :eek: That would imply that you can stack them even further with the Increase Charisma spell. An interesting tidbit to remember.
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post Nov 2 2006, 07:55 AM
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Umm I think there's a bioware bit Menoric Enchancers that give a bonus to all logic and language tests, not sure if its included.


In responce to directly above, that could become one CHARMING elf.
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post Nov 2 2006, 07:58 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Kain)
Umm I think there's a bioware bit Menoric Enchancers that give a bonus to all logic and language tests, not sure if its included.


In responce to directly above, that could become one CHARMING elf.

Menoric Enhancers?

Cyberware to enhance Jewish Celebration Candles for Hanukah?


Sign me up!!!! :grinbig:
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post Nov 2 2006, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE (blakkie @ Nov 2 2006, 06:55 PM)
That would imply that you can stack them even further with the Increase Charisma spell.

... and the Improved Social Ability Power, and Kinesics, and First Impression, and ...

An Elven Mystic Adept Face should rule the world! :D
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post Nov 2 2006, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Kain @ Nov 2 2006, 06:55 PM)
Umm I think there's a bioware bit Menoric Enchancers that give a bonus to all logic and language tests, not sure if its included.

Mnemonic Enhancers grant a Dice Pool modifier, and do not directly add to the Skill rating.
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post Nov 2 2006, 08:07 AM
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QUOTE (Fortune)
QUOTE (blakkie @ Nov 2 2006, 06:55 PM)
That would imply that you can stack them even further with the Increase Charisma spell.

... and the Improved Social Ability Power, and Kinesics, and First Impression, and ...

An Elven Mystic Adept Face should rule the world! :D

An Exceptionally Charismatic Toxic Elven Mystic Adept Face of Doom should rule the world! :D
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post Nov 2 2006, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 2 2006, 02:07 AM)
QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 2 2006, 03:59 PM)
QUOTE (blakkie @ Nov 2 2006, 06:55 PM)
That would imply that you can stack them even further with the Increase Charisma spell.

... and the Improved Social Ability Power, and Kinesics, and First Impression, and ...

An Elven Mystic Adept Face should rule the world! :D

An Exceptionally Charismatic Toxic Elven Mystic Adept Face of Doom should rule the world! :D

An Exceptionally Charismatic Toxic Elven Mystic Adept Pornomancer of Doom will. :(
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