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 Nov 8 2006, 02:10 AM
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Great Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234  |
The typical way that I've seen UWB mesh networks described you are dealing with ranges in meters and power levels of (IIRC) nanowatts. So 100 meters should be fine for the environment it is designed for. |
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Nov 8 2006, 02:12 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
But it would still not work when you're in the middle of a park ... or on a boat 100m offshore ... or in a private plane ... or ...
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Nov 8 2006, 02:43 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
In the park it bounces out using the other people in the park. Or the installed infrastructure (solar powered, etc). In the boat or plane you should be using the router installed in the vehicle. |
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Nov 8 2006, 03:07 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
But that is exactly what I was saying in my earlier post. I thought you were arguing with me. While I can easily grasp pretty much everything else, I really suck at all this Matrix/Wireless stuff ... and always have since way back in '89. I understand the basics ... but only ever barely, and have been able to gloss over specifics without impact in my World. Now, with the newly-increased AR presence, a deeper understanding has become more of a requirement. |
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Nov 8 2006, 03:58 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
Um, maybe I was. If I was I was wrong. |
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Nov 8 2006, 04:01 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Sounds like Joe vs the Volcanoe "I'm not arguing that with you!"
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Nov 8 2006, 04:03 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
It's cool. I'm old, and sometimes I need things explained to me in less-technical terms. :D
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Nov 8 2006, 04:18 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Here's how I've played it, and it seems to work.
The wireless grid is still there. Imagine each cell tower as it's own node (it's not, rules wise, hence imagine.) Your commlink automattically susses out all signals in the area. When you want to connect to another node, your call is routed through the cellular grib and back to the node you want, no matter where in the world it is, so long as the grid can get to it. This is the old school, wired matrix infrastructure, you simply access it through a wireless point at beginning and end. This assumes you are in active or passive mode. This is why those modes are so damn easy to detect you in, you are truely "on the grid" When in hidden mode, you can only communicate with nodes in your signal range, if you are also in theirs. This is the mesh network. Now, in the other modes, you do this as well, its just the only option in hidden mode. If you want, you can tell those nodes to rebroadcast your signal to create a relay, allowing you to access the nodes it can access even if you can't reach them yourself. The only problem with this is that this relaying takes up processor time on the host node (counts as a program running), and you use the lowest response time of your "chain of nodes". Incidentally, the external Iconography of a node doesn't appear in the node, it appears in the LINK to the node. What I mean is, when you go from one node to the next, you see the link to the next node from the first node. This link is sculpted to look like the nifty whatever they want. When you walk around in AR viewing downtown seattle, all those emerald city icons you see are links to those buildings nodes. In short, the infrastructure does still exist, and you see the outsides of a node from inside the nodes that link to it. |
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Nov 8 2006, 04:31 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
I can accept a public node system managed by the city/county/state, kind of like highways and roads. This also helps makes a prevasive sculptured VR theme for areas/geography definitely more possible. Ah ha! From a the thread on TM a few topics over:
So there are Matrix providers, its just not widely talked about in SR4. Cool. :cyber: |
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Nov 8 2006, 04:34 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Remember, the Crash 2.0 may have wiped out all the DATA on the matrix, but the physical infrastructure was mostly still there. EMP doesn't kill Fibre optics. And letting all that infrastructure go to waste, especially when getting everything back online is high priority, isn't something cut corner corps are going to do. The old, wired matrix is still there under the skin of the new, wireless one.
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Nov 8 2006, 05:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
PlatonicPimp you have done it again! One thing I can think of to contribute is that the matrix has been something that people have relied on so much that it might be possible for them not to pay for a matrix provider. If you do pay for a provider it probably comes included in the comlinks pay. if comlinks are supposed to be like Cell/PDA/Camera ect. Why wouldnt it be already provided? Odds are the comlink you buy represents the corporation you come from so it feeds the economy of the bussiness if it's AAA or subsidiary that money gets recycled to pay for the cost of using and maintiaing the matrix along with all the other things you can do with the system to make a profit. For example Mitsuhama might produce a comlink all of its employees buy. Not only do they have the comlink but preloaded sights were these employees can use there comlink to get perks... restuaunts, bars, clubs, matrix/magical or otherwise but all owned by the same company (like Jewish koster economics, or if your evil rega/bushanomics). other speculation? [edit]: BTW do you think the wireless matrix is active in the chicago CZ? I'm imagineing so. |
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Nov 8 2006, 09:09 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
The walls of the Containment Zone came down years ago. |
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Nov 8 2006, 10:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
I know.... I'm not talking about the walls Im talking of the CZ itself. Remember the walls went down people left but I dont think people came back in. Only the "strong", sinless, crazy or evil stayed in the CZ. So the question remains would there be wireless matrix in the lawless part of the CZ?
I'm thinking yeah to be safe. But what would the AR look like and all those other questions is something I'm working on. |
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Nov 8 2006, 10:21 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
We just assumed the mob moved in quick, bought up what land they could, and started rebuilding. Only thing better than construciton contracts is actually owning everything there ya' know?So yeah, in our game at least, there would be. Some things you really just have to brew your self. :)
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Nov 8 2006, 10:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
LOL, way to get my creative juices flowing
The Mob eh? The mob in Italy is/was all bug spirits. I think you have sowed the seads for a few adventure ideas. I need to get with some people who are as enthusiastic as me and write a proposal. Where's Frank Trollman when you need him? I need to ask some magic related questions! :) |
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Nov 8 2006, 10:27 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
No, just the northen N'Dragenta. never spell that right.. errgh
The Chicago mob has always been a big deal. I can't see them leaving it laying there. Tradition ya' know. |
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Nov 8 2006, 10:40 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I don't think it would take too long for the city to be reclaimed, minus the area directly around the Cermak Blast. The rest would be cleaned out in next to no time, and it would be back to business as usual.
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Nov 8 2006, 10:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
Maybe its me but I dont think the CZ should have a very Vanilla ending. If anything the residents of the CZ have a hatred for Ares and KE and chicago as a city itself might be out for blood.
Detroit and Ares is like Darth Vader in Empire strikes back to Chicago. Darth kicks you out of your home. Kidnapps your best friend, and kicks your best friends dog to boot while doing the kidnapping. Then he makes it a point to stomp on your cell phone and laptop so you have to fix it on your own time! Finally before he goes he casually tells you the girl you love is really your sister. Thats a piss poor day and a great reason to kill him the moment you get a chance. |
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Nov 8 2006, 10:53 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I'm not quite sure why you would think that the residents (or ex-residents, as many would have fled the area the first chance they got) would hate their saviors. From what they know, Ares came in to save the day, after their own UCAS government just walled them in and left them to be bug munchies.
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Nov 8 2006, 11:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
Target: UCAS - Oblivions end plot line, "Children of Oblivion" synopsis pg. 100. (I just cited a SR source how big of a geek am I?!). That kicked off in 59' its only been 10 years and in those 10 years the Threats 2 post about ares and bugs went out.
Thinking the CZ has anarchits and every other type of weird info broker the goods were bound to get out to CZ conspiracy nuts. Astrally chicago is down the shitter, and a lot of people feel like the government abandoned them in the first place by putting up the wall. I gotta get to work on a chicago proposal now that you got me cooking. |
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Nov 9 2006, 03:18 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Shadowland posts is not necessarily public knowledge to every single Joe Citizen. And even if it were, we're talking about a criminal bulletin board. Most people won't belive even half the crap on there. I mean look at Aztechnology ... they're the darlings of the public, dealing their consumer goods to all and sundry, with great PR. That wouldn't be the case if Joe Citizen heeded the info scattered all through Shadowland.
Ares is one of the only UCAS Megas, and as far as the people living in the containment zone are concerned, went out of their way to come and help them out with the little roach problem. I think the CZ inhabitants would see Ares in a much better light than you portray. |
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Nov 9 2006, 03:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
Arguement noted, but reading the material puts it in such a way. Of course everyone reads things differant thats why I put the question out there to see what people thought
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