 BOOO Shadowrun, Things we hate in the game |
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 Nov 5 2006, 11:14 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 23-August 05 Member No.: 7,590  |
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- BP vs Karma cost inconsistencies. - The fact that you reach the skill cap way too soon™. - The cost of attributes relative to skills and skill groups. - The cost of Improved Physical Attribute relative to cyberware or bioware. - The Essence cost of Wired Reflexes relative to Synaptic Booster. - No rules for dual-wielding melee combat in the BBB even though it includes the "Ambidextrous" quality. - Ammo rules in general... - The cost of Ally spirits. - The fact that the SR4 core mechanics were not openly discussed in the community before becoming set in stone. (Yeah, I know, that one is probably not too realistic, but I can dream, right?) In general though, I think the SR4 mechanics are significantly better than the SR3 rules, and I like pretty much all of the new fluff. |
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Nov 5 2006, 03:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
You forgot to blame Steve Kesson and add your BBBBOOOOO!!!!!
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Nov 5 2006, 05:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 281 Joined: 9-September 06 Member No.: 9,346 |
The ability for Magic to duplicate nearly everything that Technology accomplishes! BOOOOOOOOO!
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Nov 5 2006, 05:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 25-September 06 Member No.: 9,467 |
I've never seen any of those as invincible, just well protected. Though they do like to portray themselves as invincible, helps to keep yourself alive. |
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Nov 5 2006, 06:09 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
you took your sweet sweet time with that one, didn't you? :silly: |
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Nov 5 2006, 06:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
Lack of a new shadowbeat book with new and interesting plot hooks including KSAF... BBBBOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
(Yeah I'ma media whore, it was my major in college) |
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Nov 5 2006, 07:20 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Frosty has a bit of dialogue in Street Magic, she's totally there on page 12.
Uh... can't help you there. BOOOOO! ;) -Frank |
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Nov 5 2006, 08:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 144 Joined: 19-June 06 From: CAS baby Member No.: 8,736 |
Hurray for hate!
deckers. BOOOO! Ancients nearly wiping out the Halloweeners. BOOOO! SURGE. BOOOO! The lack of anything about SURGE in 4th. BOOOO! The lack of shadow talk in 3rd. BOOOO! The art in 3rd. BOOOO! 3rd. BOOOO! Never getting to play because I'm always the bloody GM. BOOOO! The MIA skull logo. HELLA BOOOO! And yeah, the Crimson Crush were around back in 2nd, probably 1st as well, check out the Seattle Sourcebook. |
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Nov 5 2006, 08:17 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
So you didnt like SURGE but are mad that they didnt put it in 4th? It doesnt make sense! BOOO! |
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Nov 5 2006, 08:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 281 Joined: 9-September 06 Member No.: 9,346 |
Re: Surge in 4th Edition.
They just tried to sneak it under the radar. |
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Nov 5 2006, 08:59 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Heh, that got a chuckle out of me, S&S.
4th edition - Technomancers The loss of the whole shaman/mage dichotomy Skill caps That funny dwarf on the cover The SR4 dice mechanic (that's a big one, I know, but that's why I'm going to play SR3 with 4 for flavor). 3rd edition - Most of ritual sorcery Magic creating matter The lack of balance between magic and cyber The difficulty of integrating riggers and deckers into a team The lack of full borg options/overpriced cyberlimbs/lack of obvious and non-combat cyber I guess I really want CP2020 with SR's dice mechanics and about half of SR's magic (plus the cool background). |
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Nov 5 2006, 09:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 144 Joined: 19-June 06 From: CAS baby Member No.: 8,736 |
SURGE was pretty silly but ignoring a piece of canon is just stupid. They only mention it twice in passing in the BBB. |
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Nov 5 2006, 09:25 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 56 Joined: 29-October 06 From: Grenoble, France Member No.: 9,730 |
what's the matter with SURGE? it's fun.
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Nov 5 2006, 09:31 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
people don't like it when fun intrudes on their grim and gritty cyberpunk... that, and the kitty cat interview in the book screamed manga kitten to oh so many people on this forum. and at the time people was already afraid that shadowrun would turn into some kind of camp americanized manga bastard child... |
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Nov 5 2006, 09:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 281 Joined: 9-September 06 Member No.: 9,346 |
Word. |
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Nov 5 2006, 11:29 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Oh, come on. Doesn't anyone remember the SR manga that was posted a while back with the creepy hermetic mage that looked sort of like a psychopathic yaoi villain? Mangaized SR can be good. (Also, see the Japanese Sega CD videogame.) Nah, SURGE was fun. As for wiping out Crimson Crush by flooding the Barrens with BTLs, that would be too close to the incident where the FBI hired the Columbian drug cartels to flood the ghettos with cheap cocaine in an attempt to neutralize the Black Panther Party for Self Defense. No rules for triple-wilding by characters with prehensile tails. BOOOO |
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Nov 5 2006, 11:33 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Oh, come on. Doesn't anyone remember the SR manga that was posted a while back with the creepy hermetic mage that looked sort of like a psychopathic yaoi villain? Mangaized SR can be good. (Also, see the Japanese Sega CD videogame.) Nah, SURGE was fun. As for wiping out Crimson Crush by flooding the Barrens with BTLs, that would be too close to the incident where the FBI hired the Columbian drug cartels to flood the ghettos with cheap cocaine in an attempt to neutralize the Black Panther Party for Self Defense. No rules for triple-wilding by characters with prehensile tails or quadruple-wielding for characters who didn't get their meat-arms removed before their cyberarms were installed. BOOOO |
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Nov 6 2006, 12:02 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Fixed! ;) |
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Nov 6 2006, 12:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992 |
All of this talk about SURGE reminds me of the Surge commercials in the, like, mid-90s. Man, but those were some stupid commercials.
Oh. What do I not like about SR4? Well, if I had to pick something, I suppose it'd be cyberlimbs. I want my fullborg to be useful and actually obtainable. |
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Nov 6 2006, 12:12 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Off my chest? Nah. I gripe about them all the time. :) Actually, kidding aside, these are the ones that have come up in threads recently, so I thought it'd be funny to put them all in one place since there was a thread for it.
1st question: Because in other canon, metahumans are shown to all be human beings at the core. While many people have pointed to "RL differences in age spans", nobody has ever shown any evidence that I found credible enough that these differences were products of genetics rather than circumstance and environment for me to buy it. If the differences were ten years for orks, which was linked to poverty, I might buy it. But "orks live shorter amounts of times..um..because they're ORKS!" has never cut it for me. I'm no expert, but that's how I see it. (And no, wikipedia and google don't make one an "expert".;)) 2nd question: Yes. Because they're essentially human beings, and the difference in structure is, in my games (and in some canon references that I'm too lazy to go looking for atm), akin to the differences in RL ethnicities. Elven ears = african-american (or whatever the current "PC" term is) skin tone. Not "elves are happy magicky and live a hundred years cause Tolkien said so." (I'm aware he wasn't the originator.) Where you see opportunity for role playing, I see silly hold-overs and throwbacks to too much cookie cutter fantasy fiction. Different takes, is all. :) And I said this in another recent thread, but I'll add it here: The more I learn about how ED is the reason for so many things that I think are silly in SR: Shadowrun connections to ED: BOOOOOOO! (Besides, this thread is just for fun. I don't think anyone here is trying to say "you shouldn't like this either". :)) edit:
Are you kidding? Man, never play in my games. You'd beat me with a BBB over how little I actually consider "canon" to matter in some areas. :) |
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Nov 6 2006, 12:19 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 281 Joined: 9-September 06 Member No.: 9,346 |
!!! How could I forget that! Here here! BoOOoooOOOOOOO! |
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Nov 6 2006, 01:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
For trying to sneek it under the radar and for not having enough peer presure to take out a bad idea (which I love) out at the time BBBBBOOOOOOO!!!!! |
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Nov 6 2006, 01:26 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Steak & Spirits, that wasn't funny. SURGE wasn't all that bad.
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Nov 6 2006, 01:30 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
It just wasn't all that good either. ;) |
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Nov 6 2006, 01:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 21-August 05 Member No.: 7,586 |
4th Vehicle stats/rules, especially acceleration & speed: BOOOOO!
Still unrealistic weapon and physiological impact model: BOOOOO! No weapon and vehicle design rules: boo. |
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