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 Dec 1 2006, 05:11 PM
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Manus Celer Dei  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802  |
Yes. Not, however, necessarily cheaper than card now + card then.
Besides, my point isn't that anyone needs a top-of-the-line gaming graphics card, but that a computer in the pricerange Hocus Pocus is talking about is less expensive than a top-of-the-line graphics card, making it clearly not top-of-the-line. How much that matters is an entirely different discussion that I'm not going to get into. ~J |
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Dec 1 2006, 08:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 28-July 05 Member No.: 7,526 |
Yes, i think Sony priced themselves out of 1st place in the market, even if they had managed to produce a respectable number of consoles for launch. The only way you can really see the machine as having a good price would be to compare it to today's Blu-Ray disc players.
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Dec 2 2006, 01:29 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
Have you heard of Wii's Virtual Console? |
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Dec 3 2006, 07:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 533 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In a hot tub, with lots of bubbles and champagne waiting for you. Member No.: 1,972 |
i saw a special lastnight on spike tv. a gameshow highlighting the nentindo wii and saw that you could downloand the old games. That has pretty much sealed the deal for me purchasing one (though i already have the cartriges of my favorite games) playing and then sometimes seeing all the info erase when the screen blaks out when starting up the systems sucks.
playing games like act raiser. The first beautiful song i ever heard, when they make the song for the man who died. FF4? seeing edward play the harp and pine for anna. palom and porom sacrificing themselves to stop the walls from closing in. Tellah...poor tellah casting meteo to try and kill goblez in revenge for his daughter anna dying by golbez hand. ff6 cyan loosing his family and runing after them on the ghost train. Relm and he sweet innocents. locke losing his woman. terra being used. celis my sweet celis, so alone and singing the beatiful song at the opera house! dont' fret my love! come to my arms and I"ll hold you till the end of time JUST SAY YOU LOVE ME!!!! ultros...ha ha ha ultros..."it'll take me eactly 5 minutes to drop this weight" kefa the best ff villan of all time. general leo...i can go on! suffice it to say. go wii! now if the ps3 can do the games of suikoden (awesome game all around), wild arms (beautiful begining), vandal hearts (that woman singing is beatufil). I"d even consider ps3 |
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Dec 3 2006, 03:10 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
FF4 and FF6 will probably end up on there, as Square Enix is confirmed in support of the Virtual Console, but Act Raiser will almost certainly not end up on the VC—Quintet, IIRC, owns at least part of the rights to it, and they're probably defunct (while the company still exists, there hasn't been any news out of them since early 2002).
~J |
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Dec 4 2006, 02:16 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
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Dec 6 2006, 02:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
I currently have in my household (For my four kids ;) ) A PS2, GameCube and an x-box. We play them all fairly frequently. But for this next round, I'm afraid Sony and MS has priced me out of their market.
With the Wii able to play Gamecube games, and the downloadable 'classic' games on tap, we will go with that - some time next year after the first couple batches have sold out. (We have had issues with bot the PS2 and GC's cd player crapping out after a couple years. Sony fessed up and fixed it for free. Nintendo wants $50 regardless to fix it.) *Shrug* We'll put the money to the Wii next year. I really hope the Wii out sells them all - and send some sort of notice to MS and Sony that five to six hundred bucks is a bit much. |
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Dec 9 2006, 06:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 533 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In a hot tub, with lots of bubbles and champagne waiting for you. Member No.: 1,972 |
my birthday is a few days before chirstmas so i think I'll buy the wii around the probably if there are any left.
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Dec 9 2006, 06:36 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Just get some real games for it. I've been doing some thinking lately, and have become seriously worried that Nintendo's strategy of targeting non-gamers may kill off gaming. For evidence of this, look at board gaming—anything outside of Monopoly, Risk, and other low-quality, simple games is very solidly a niche market.
On the other hand, I can get some amusement value out of saying that party games scare me. ~J |
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Dec 9 2006, 08:05 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 533 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In a hot tub, with lots of bubbles and champagne waiting for you. Member No.: 1,972 |
it is a novel stragety admitedly. targeting the audience that doesn't typically play video games a bunch. Girl gamers (i still say that is any oxymoron) and people more concerned with substance than graphics they'll hoping to woo. Me personally i have strayed away from console gaming to pc gaming but the wii has me intereested again. Nintendo to me seems more "kiddy fied" and "wholesome" more align with familys and such. It looks to be a system where my kids and i can play without to much button smashing and complicated techinques to do things. I hope to get the wife playing again as well and racing games is what she likes. I find today's games don't really take much time to beat and miss the days where you actually immerse yourself with the game, not just play it for it's flashiness. both my kids were playing this dance thingy for the game cube today and they LOVED it. I would have like to have goteen a ps3 but their price is too high, maybe they'll come down a bit later. for me first and foremost my kids gotta be able to play it. If their happiness means i have to give up final fantasy titles then so be it.
board games i attribute to more "adult" type of entertainment whereas you go over and have a nice social gathering and you play something like that. i apologize if i seem to ramble on but i've been drinking and watching naruto episodes |
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Dec 9 2006, 09:02 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
This is not Hocus Pocus! I have seen thousands of his posts, and never once have I seen him rant even semi-coherently and sober without mangling every second word. Let alone after consuming a few drinks. Imposter! :P :D |
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Dec 9 2006, 04:30 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,458 Joined: 22-March 03 From: I am a figment of my own imagination. Member No.: 4,302 |
I'm not seeing anything vastly different from when the PS2 and XBox first came out... ok, so maybe a hundred more, but I recall forking out at least a grand (Canadian, eh) for my PS2 near launch just so I could actually get a couple games with it... and my XBox ran me near $500 just over a year ago... Ultimately this round came down to the simple fact that MS seems to be getting the game devs on their team that I like... Bioware and Rockstar being prime examples... Sure, I game for myself and have no kids, but the Wii seems even too kid for kids to me... the graphics they display in the games I've seen would have been sub par at the start of the decade, and the one game I got to try out pre-release was unweildy to control at best. Mind you kids these days and their crazy ability to pick up new technology... :|
Wait a tic... did I just say that? Hell, I'm not that old... |
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Dec 9 2006, 04:41 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It's not that novel. It only feels novel because the last time it was tried (by a lot of companies), it was the only reasonable strategy due to just about everyone being said audience :)
The Wii has less graphics. It does not have more substance. The remote enables a lot of interesting things, but that does not have a one-to-one correlation with "substance". Plus, a lot of their strategy depends, if the impression I'm getting is correct, on people who don't care about substance. See Wii Sports, Wii play, and Rayman Raving Rabbids. It's not a new strategy for Nintendo, either, as the various WarioWare and Mario Party games demonstrate. ~J |
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Dec 9 2006, 10:43 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Tangenting back to board games, they're actually doing better now than they have in years, with games like Settlers of Catan, Ticket to Ride and several others getting widespread acceptance beyond board gaming geeks.
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Dec 9 2006, 11:00 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
That is true, and a hopeful sign. It's entirely possible that there's going to be a societal shift towards general acceptance of more varied and complex forms of play, or that I'm simply trying to read patterns where there either are none or where the ones that exist are beyond my ability to perceive without significant research.
Still, a world where Age of Renaissance can be out of print worries me. ~J |
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Dec 12 2006, 04:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 533 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In a hot tub, with lots of bubbles and champagne waiting for you. Member No.: 1,972 |
well over the weekend and today i went looking for a wii and as expected no dice :( but I'm as patient as a noiseless paitent spider, i can wait.
lol my wife found out i was looking for one and she was like "why are you looking for it you are not gonna get it" :P |
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Dec 14 2006, 06:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 533 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In a hot tub, with lots of bubbles and champagne waiting for you. Member No.: 1,972 |
no plans for shadowrun? i don't have the genesis version
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Dec 14 2006, 12:55 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
What?
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Dec 14 2006, 03:20 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
I believe Hocus Pocus is wondering if either SNES or Genesis Shadowrun games will be available for download and play on the Wii, since the Wii is supporting classic game downloads from both consoles.
I, too, am wondering this. |
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Dec 14 2006, 03:50 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
No public plans. I don't know if it'd take Microsoft/FASA Interactive's go-ahead to make them available, but if so you can expect it to happen just after Hell freezes over and just before Redmond deals with its flying pig problem.
If it doesn't rely on that, the question gets more complex. The Genesis game was published directly by Sega, so it would have a pretty decent chance of coming out. The SNES game, on the other hand, was published by now-defunct Data East, who are now owned by a company focused on providing games for mobile phones. I find it pretty unlikely that that one's going to resurface. ~J |
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Dec 15 2006, 06:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 533 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In a hot tub, with lots of bubbles and champagne waiting for you. Member No.: 1,972 |
*twisting my curly mustache* muh ha ha ha! |
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Dec 15 2006, 06:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 533 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In a hot tub, with lots of bubbles and champagne waiting for you. Member No.: 1,972 |
yeah i got the snes version, but since i don't have a genesie i didn't get the sega one. The sega one's mechanics were definately better
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Dec 15 2006, 07:39 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
The top end resolution for the Wii is lower, which isn't really "less graphics". But less or more "substance" is entirely qualified by what "substance" you are looking for. If the substance is fun instead of the top end of HD resolutions? Well then it could be arguable that Nintendo's priorities with the Wii's place substance over graphics resolution, oh and cheap (and turning a profit selling the actual game machines rather than having the machine as a lead-loss). I've only played a little bit in a stand in the mall, but I find even the dinkly little demo games that come with the system are fun. |
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Dec 15 2006, 07:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 28-July 05 Member No.: 7,526 |
Yeah. Nintendo sees games more as toys than some daring new interactive storytelling medium of the future. I think that sums up their philosophy of fun. |
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Dec 15 2006, 08:10 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It is. Besides, are you really claiming that the Wii will be able to stick the same number of polygons, for example, onscreen at a time that the 360 or PS3 will? Even at the lower resolution?
(FYI: I can't use your link as evidence for your argument, as YouTube wants me to register with them to view it, which I will under no circumstances do) That said, you've managed to replace a word that needs defining with another word that needs defining. Some people have fun looking at pretty things. More importantly, though, some people have fun with things like processor-intensive AI or physics. Some people also have fun with interesting input methods.
Yes. And if I define "substance" as "wood", I could argue that the lumber industry places substance over graphics resolution. At least I've given a meaning to the whole equation, rather than added in another unknown. ~J |
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