 Instead of reviving the Thor Shot thread, A new weapon for reaching bunkers |
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 Nov 20 2006, 09:01 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316  |
Deep Digger. Is a new weapon used to reach into those deep down bunkers and kill them.
Not really 100% SR related, but there was a debate about bunker busting weapons a while back. |
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Nov 20 2006, 09:30 PM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
*groans*
pleas tell me this doesn't involve Bruce Willis. |
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Nov 20 2006, 09:32 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
I am a little sceptical about how this approach would work...
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Nov 20 2006, 11:21 PM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
oh it'll work, but it assumes that there's no one up on the surface that will blow this thing away with an RPG.
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Nov 20 2006, 11:35 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
They can drop a regular bomb first.
~J |
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Nov 21 2006, 12:38 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
I was thinking several conventional bombs first. Well, at the same time, seeing that the Deep Digger parachutes down. By time its on target the regular bombs have already landed and cleared a path for the deep digger(s). |
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Nov 21 2006, 03:56 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I was thinking either a regular cluster bomb or a really big regular bomb, but yeah, same idea.
No doubt there's a proper path that someone with the right knowledge of the interaction between explosives and terrain could identify. I am not such a someone, especially not while this tired. ~J |
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Nov 21 2006, 07:10 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
It will have to manage much more than 10 meters if it intends to beat systems like SHOC, but it's an interesting method of getting explosives deep into rock and concrete.
Since the Deep Digger is a high-drag munition, any low-drag dumb bombs would have to be dropped beforehand anyway since they will travel down at a much greater forward velocity. And might as well drop several CBU-87/103s, just to make sure. |
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Nov 21 2006, 01:55 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
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Nov 21 2006, 02:19 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Now if we could only equip drop bears with similar technology...
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Nov 21 2006, 02:57 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
No KI, you were not.
I suppose its all a good idea and all, but its going to rapidly run into the problem of spoil disposal. Never mind the problem of getting it land in a vertical position on top of concrete. |
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Nov 21 2006, 04:49 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Yeah, I got the reference too. Took me a minute, but I got it. |
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Nov 21 2006, 09:39 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
I think they said it was only a demostration. I mean you wouldnt want to broadcast to the world exactlly how far the thing could actually go. Like everyone already siad, theyll just go deeper. But being human, they will only go as deep as they have to. I guess do to cost. 20+ year aircraft still have things classified about them. You dont want people to get a leg up on you, just because you dont use that technology any more. Im also curious why everyone seems to say this thing can only go as far as it can clear the muck. Worms and other borrowing animals can dig so much, then pass the refuse around it self to continue to dig. Why couldnt this thing? My thoughts on limitions would be the amount of .75 caliber ammo it has on board. |
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Nov 21 2006, 09:53 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I don't know what I'd do, but the guys in charge often do broadcast all that information to the world. They penetrating capabilities of all the BLU-series bombs is public knowledge, as are the test results for various kinds of penetrators at different velocities vs. earth, rock and concrete which are/have been used as a basis for threshold and target capabilities (which are also public knowledge) for several different weapon projects. |
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Nov 21 2006, 10:04 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Yeah, security through obscurity doesn't really work in the long run.
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Nov 21 2006, 10:32 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Worms and moles move the earth around but largely travel laterally through soft soil. A drilling bomb would be moving straight down through solid rock. Gravity would work against it being able to continue to move the rock because it isn't just pushing up the rock its just broken up, but also all the rock above it.
Additionally I'm under the impression that, when boring through rock, the drill bit has to be regularly replaced because its worn down very quickly. That means we can expect this device to have similar equipment malfunctions when it goes beyond a certain depth. Finally, worms and moles eat food. Bombs don't. It has to carry its own continuous fuel source, including the explosive payload, guidance systems, so on and so forth. I imagine it's pretty fuel inefficient to bore through solid rock, so I don't think we'll have something that gets 20 mpg here or anything. |
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Nov 21 2006, 11:38 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
Who ever is broadcasting those specs really is doing a dis-service to their own fighting men and women. I mean really, why would you tell everyone what you can and cant do?
And yes, drills routinely do need their bits replaced. But this isnt using bits. Its firing .75 caliber projectiles into the rock/concrete in its path, then shoots the debris back out behind the deep digger. |
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Nov 21 2006, 11:54 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Edit: not worth getting into this discussion, suffice it to say that I find that position absurd. ~J |
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Nov 22 2006, 12:00 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
That would be the Department of Defense and all the organizations underneath it, and the whole defense industry. |
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Nov 22 2006, 03:55 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you *keep* it a *secret*! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?
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