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> Instead of reviving the Thor Shot thread, A new weapon for reaching bunkers
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post Nov 20 2006, 09:01 PM
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Deep Digger. Is a new weapon used to reach into those deep down bunkers and kill them.

Not really 100% SR related, but there was a debate about bunker busting weapons a while back.
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post Nov 20 2006, 09:30 PM
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*groans*

pleas tell me this doesn't involve Bruce Willis.
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post Nov 20 2006, 09:32 PM
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I am a little sceptical about how this approach would work...
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post Nov 20 2006, 11:21 PM
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oh it'll work, but it assumes that there's no one up on the surface that will blow this thing away with an RPG.
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post Nov 20 2006, 11:35 PM
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They can drop a regular bomb first.

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post Nov 21 2006, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Nov 20 2006, 06:35 PM)
They can drop a regular bomb first.

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I was thinking several conventional bombs first. Well, at the same time, seeing that the Deep Digger parachutes down. By time its on target the regular bombs have already landed and cleared a path for the deep digger(s).
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post Nov 21 2006, 03:56 AM
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I was thinking either a regular cluster bomb or a really big regular bomb, but yeah, same idea.

No doubt there's a proper path that someone with the right knowledge of the interaction between explosives and terrain could identify. I am not such a someone, especially not while this tired.

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post Nov 21 2006, 07:10 AM
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It will have to manage much more than 10 meters if it intends to beat systems like SHOC, but it's an interesting method of getting explosives deep into rock and concrete.

Since the Deep Digger is a high-drag munition, any low-drag dumb bombs would have to be dropped beforehand anyway since they will travel down at a much greater forward velocity. And might as well drop several CBU-87/103s, just to make sure.
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post Nov 21 2006, 01:55 PM
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Am I the only one who was immediately reminded of this?


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post Nov 21 2006, 02:19 PM
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Now if we could only equip drop bears with similar technology...
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post Nov 21 2006, 02:57 PM
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No KI, you were not.

I suppose its all a good idea and all, but its going to rapidly run into the problem of spoil disposal. Never mind the problem of getting it land in a vertical position on top of concrete.
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post Nov 21 2006, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE (KarmaInferno)
Am I the only one who was immediately reminded of this?


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Yeah, I got the reference too. Took me a minute, but I got it.
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post Nov 21 2006, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)
It will have to manage much more than 10 meters if it intends to beat systems like SHOC, but it's an interesting method of getting explosives deep into rock and concrete.

Since the Deep Digger is a high-drag munition, any low-drag dumb bombs would have to be dropped beforehand anyway since they will travel down at a much greater forward velocity. And might as well drop several CBU-87/103s, just to make sure.

I think they said it was only a demostration. I mean you wouldnt want to broadcast to the world exactlly how far the thing could actually go. Like everyone already siad, theyll just go deeper. But being human, they will only go as deep as they have to. I guess do to cost.

20+ year aircraft still have things classified about them. You dont want people to get a leg up on you, just because you dont use that technology any more.

Im also curious why everyone seems to say this thing can only go as far as it can clear the muck. Worms and other borrowing animals can dig so much, then pass the refuse around it self to continue to dig. Why couldnt this thing? My thoughts on limitions would be the amount of .75 caliber ammo it has on board.
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post Nov 21 2006, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE (Frag-o Delux)
I mean you wouldnt want to broadcast to the world exactlly how far the thing could actually go.

I don't know what I'd do, but the guys in charge often do broadcast all that information to the world. They penetrating capabilities of all the BLU-series bombs is public knowledge, as are the test results for various kinds of penetrators at different velocities vs. earth, rock and concrete which are/have been used as a basis for threshold and target capabilities (which are also public knowledge) for several different weapon projects.
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post Nov 21 2006, 10:04 PM
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Yeah, security through obscurity doesn't really work in the long run.
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post Nov 21 2006, 10:32 PM
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Worms and moles move the earth around but largely travel laterally through soft soil. A drilling bomb would be moving straight down through solid rock. Gravity would work against it being able to continue to move the rock because it isn't just pushing up the rock its just broken up, but also all the rock above it.

Additionally I'm under the impression that, when boring through rock, the drill bit has to be regularly replaced because its worn down very quickly. That means we can expect this device to have similar equipment malfunctions when it goes beyond a certain depth.

Finally, worms and moles eat food. Bombs don't. It has to carry its own continuous fuel source, including the explosive payload, guidance systems, so on and so forth. I imagine it's pretty fuel inefficient to bore through solid rock, so I don't think we'll have something that gets 20 mpg here or anything.
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post Nov 21 2006, 11:38 PM
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Who ever is broadcasting those specs really is doing a dis-service to their own fighting men and women. I mean really, why would you tell everyone what you can and cant do?

And yes, drills routinely do need their bits replaced. But this isnt using bits. Its firing .75 caliber projectiles into the rock/concrete in its path, then shoots the debris back out behind the deep digger.
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post Nov 21 2006, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE (Frag-o Delux @ Nov 21 2006, 06:38 PM)
Who ever is broadcasting those specs really is doing a dis-service to their own fighting men and women.

Edit: not worth getting into this discussion, suffice it to say that I find that position absurd.

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post Nov 22 2006, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE (Frag-o Delux)
Who ever is broadcasting those specs really is doing a dis-service to their own fighting men and women.

That would be the Department of Defense and all the organizations underneath it, and the whole defense industry.
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post Nov 22 2006, 03:55 PM
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Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you *keep* it a *secret*! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?
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