 [SR3]Best armor, How to minimax armor for quickness 6 |
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 Dec 8 2006, 07:03 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 4-December 06 From: Sweden Member No.: 10,207  |
Like everybody else I want to be as protected as I can when I'm out Shadowrunning.
So, what is the best combo for a starting quickness 6 character? Without loosing quickness or combat pool I have found the following combination Industrious Line Winterized Coverall 4/4 Armanté London Fog Professional 2/2 Form-Fitting Body Armor Full Body 4/1 That should add up to 7/5 Has I done this right? What other combos have you used? |
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Dec 8 2006, 07:06 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Van: 5 points vehicle armor.
~J |
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Dec 8 2006, 07:10 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 4-December 06 From: Sweden Member No.: 10,207 |
Well, what concealability do you have on it? :rotfl: |
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Dec 8 2006, 07:17 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
The armor? 8. The van itself, not so much :)
~J |
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Dec 8 2006, 07:24 PM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
which is why you go the route of "hiding in plain sight"
active camo can be configured to look like anything from the local plumber's union, to an Aztechnology delivery truck. and can be changed on the fly. (don't forget: rotating liscence plates, and LMGs behind the headlights.) |
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Dec 8 2006, 08:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 993 Joined: 5-December 05 From: Crying in the wilderness Member No.: 8,047 |
Rapid transit line light jump suit 1/2.
Armoured vest with plates 4/3 Full form fit 4/1 Forearm guards 0/1 Helmet 0/2 Total of 7/8 with the advange of 10 colour changes, some of which can be camo... |
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Dec 8 2006, 09:16 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Firstly, the total would be 6/5 Ballistic is 4 + 1/2 + 4/2 = 6 Impact is 3 + 2/2 + 1/2 + 1 + 2 = 7 It's better to have the Transit Line heavy jumpsuit, 2/4 and a lined coat, 4/2, plus everything else you listed. Then it's: 4 + 2/2 + 4/2 = 7 4 + 2/2 + 1/2 + 1 + 2 = 8 Plus a bonus to concealing weapons and the cammies you mentioned. |
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Dec 8 2006, 09:26 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...I'd go with just the Form Fit and Industrious Winterised coveralls then add a hard hat (as std helmet +1 / +1) and forearm guards This would make 9 / 7 of course this wouldn't be what you wear to a meet at a tres chic club or to a formal dinner affair. ...then it would be a Zoe Heritage (appropriate to the setting of course) with Zoe Second skin for a total of 6 / 4. |
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Dec 8 2006, 09:42 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Your numbers work out, but the 1/2 term shouldn't be in either expression. Only the first two layers count towards the total. This, incidentally, makes your proposed alternative to Ballistic identical. Impact's still better, unless I miscalculate. ~J |
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Dec 8 2006, 09:54 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 4-December 06 From: Sweden Member No.: 10,207 |
How is forearm guard treated? I mean, is it a impact 1 or impact +1?
If I have a vest and clothes does forearm guards do anything then or just waste of space? |
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Dec 8 2006, 09:56 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Impact +1. A few small items like that are explicitly treated differently.
~J |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:02 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 4-December 06 From: Sweden Member No.: 10,207 |
According to my calculations it would only give me 7/4 Coveralls 4/4 Form Fit (4/2)/(1/2=0) Forearm Guards (1/2=0) Edit: wrong stats for Form Fit Full body |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:04 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 4-December 06 From: Sweden Member No.: 10,207 |
Any source to that? |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:04 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
There is no such creature as Form Fitted Armor with those stats. |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:06 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Right in the main armor section, where it talks about helmets, or indeed anything that is listed statwise as +#. |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:11 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 4-December 06 From: Sweden Member No.: 10,207 |
And where is forarm guards listed as +1? Not in my Cannon Companion and I cant see anything in the errata about it either. |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:14 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I don't have my SR3 books in front of me, but I am sure that they most definitely are listed that way in SR3 ... and in SR1/2, when they were introduced in the Street Samurai Catalog.
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Dec 8 2006, 10:16 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 4-December 06 From: Sweden Member No.: 10,207 |
Yeah, sorry me bad It says so in the text, but its not listed as a +1 as a helmet is. |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:17 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
They aren't. It's an oversight, though, as is made explicit in the text: "Forearm guards add 1 to Impact armor" and, later, "Treat as a helmet for purposes of layering armor."
A strict reading would make them incompatible with helmets, as you can't wear two helmets—though, is there a rule for that? Maybe you could wear a tower of helmets… ~J |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:17 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
No SR3 books here, either, but I'm also 99% sure forearms guards are supposed to be +1, not regular 1.
edit: Thanks Kagetenshi. Glad someone had their SR3 books handy. |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:19 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
The 1/2 is eliminated at the end because we round down. However the idea that you can only stack two pieces of armor is only an implicit interpretation. It is not explicit, and so many GMs would (rightfully so) allow the stacking of 3 pieces of armor as canon. Forearm guards add +1 impact *ONLY* while in melee combat. For all other purposes they don't add anything. |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:22 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
True! |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:24 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Actually, it is explicit:
There's no other way to interpret that sentence. ~J |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:27 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 4-December 06 From: Sweden Member No.: 10,207 |
Where there is a will, there is a way :spin: |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:32 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
You could get all cybered up and add in cyber-armor too, but then you wouldn't be a very good adept, methinks.
-karma |
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