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 Dec 21 2006, 03:51 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 4-December 06 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 10,193  |
The Smurfs were all male. They were just very accepting of Smurfette's choices. And Vanity's. |
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Dec 21 2006, 04:04 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
Ok... whatever you say, man. :D |
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Dec 21 2006, 04:14 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
That hurts. :( |
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Dec 21 2006, 04:42 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I hear that things are in motion to try to get that book out. Which makes me happy. Hopefully it'll be sooner rather than later. |
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Dec 21 2006, 05:50 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Spelled out: He's staring at Nadja's Nice Large Brown Nipples. |
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Dec 21 2006, 06:15 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Technically Smurfs are all male. Smurfette is a golem created by Gargamel. She later decided that the Smurf's way of life was superior and defected, becoming a permanent member of the Smurf Village. So now like all the other Smurfs, Smurfette lives in an amanita muscaria - a poisonous mushroom which properly prepared can leeched can be a delicious treat. However, while generally accepted as a member of the Smurf family, and different enough from the other Smurfs to be considered "exotically attractive" - Smurfette is made out of clay, not gold. -Frank |
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Dec 21 2006, 07:33 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
That's not the joke. The joke is in the part about sitting on a beach in Perth admiring sunsets.
Maybe. She was 53 when she disappeared. For a first-generation elf who's not entirely sure about this whole 400-year lifespan thing, one might think that it's about time.
Because Ares is a stand-in for OCP from Robocop. OCP was based in Detroit.
Yeah. What do you know?
That sounds familiar.
Hell will freeze over first. |
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Dec 21 2006, 11:08 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I do find the theory about Dunkelzahn running AZT interesting though. But if it were the case, there are a lot of things that seem off. Like why he went through all the trouble of everything in the Dragonheart Trilogy. If Dunk were running AZT, he should have seen all that coming long before a personal sacrifice would be required to stop it.
Besides, as far as we're aware, while Dunk possessed voting stock and a Board seat, that alone wouldn't give him enough sway over AZT to be considered the one in charge. |
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Dec 21 2006, 11:23 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
The Dragonheart was far more powerful than anything that could have been made at this period in the mana cycle. Producing it required the use of Earthdawn era Death Patterns. That is: characters in Earthdawn can make disgustingly powerful effects with their own death, and Mountainshadow is an Earthdawn character.
The Hoorors were coming in through a bridge to mana spikes that were already in place without any say-so by Aztechnology or Dunkelzahn. --- Thereafter, Aztechnology began producing such a bridge deliberately under controlled circumstances. A copy of the ones left over from the Ghost Dance that was scientifically investigated during formation. All reports were handed over to the board, and by extension - Dunkelzahn. Just before those bridges were completed, someone tipped off a bunch of Runners (see Harlequin's Back) who came in and killed everyone performing the actual bridge creation process. And then Dunkelzahn turns around and suddenly he knows exactly how the entire bridge system works and then uses the power released by his own death to destroy them all. And then Dunkelzahn lives on after the fact using cybermancy - a magical technique that was also financed by Aztechnology at great expense. In fact, it was originally put together by the same group of blood mages that made the bridges in the first place (see Cybertechnology), with presumably their research data turned over to the same people. So let's consider the timeline:
So... what's would Occam's Razor say is the easiest way to connect those dots? -Frank |
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Dec 21 2006, 11:26 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
Lofwyr? :P
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Dec 22 2006, 12:10 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I'm not sure Occam's Razor would touch that either. :P
I mean, it's not a bad theory, but there are holes. We have no evidence or information indicating that Dunkelzahn had anymore influence over the Board than any other Board member. We know he had voting stock and a Board seat, but so do other people. So why would Dunkelzahn be the guiding force behind AZT in that case? And sure, self-sacrifice allowed Dunkelzahn to create a powerful artifact, but if he was behind the mana bridge in the Dragonheart Trilogy, what's the rush to create the Dragonheart? It's understandable that there's a rush if he wasn't behind the bridge and the situation was really quite dire, but if the bridge was a controlled experiment intended to never be completed, then it certainly seems odd for a dragon to feel the need to sacrifice himself to create an artifact right then. Besides, would a dragon who has been through previous ages really need to study a mana bridge? I can't imagine the effect of the Great Ghost Dance created more of a mana spike than a Dragon Ritual would. Which could very well explain why Dragon Rituals were banned by the Council of Barsaivian Dragons, but Dunk would have already been familiar with the process. After all, he went against that ban before with dire consequences for the city of Vivane. And if it was Dunkelzahn's planned and intended goal to survive on through cybermancy, that process definitely wasn't perfect either. Understandable if he was in a rush, but again kinda strange if it was all predetermined. |
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Dec 22 2006, 12:34 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Oh I don't think he's the guiding force behind AZT. I think it's just that... he's the only person who actually benefitted from the research that the BMG performed. And sure, there's a Feathered Serpent who was into teaching Blood Magic to humans and getting them to do blood research back in Earthdawn days - he probably wasn't hard to convince (See Dragons). And there's an Eastern Dragon who is apparently quite horror marked, I'm sure he was easy to convince to do Horror Research (see Aztlan). And Juan and Roxborough probably weren't that hard to persuade to invest in cybermantic research. But the bottom line is that the Aztlan blood magic research division for whatever reason managed to crank out exactly what Dunkelzahn needed and then they were all killed afterwards. Recall also that Dunkie managed to give the information that Harly managed to use to kill the BMG off (see Aztlan), and that puts him in a very interesting position indeed.
He claimed that the answer was yes in the Aztlan file.
According to Harly, it did. The ritual created a mana spike that was prematurely going to allow in the Horrors.
Certainly. An interesting facet ofthe Death Pattern thing is that it's contingent. That is, you can enact it whenever you die. And that indicates to me that Dunkelzahn didn't "sacrifice" himself at all - he simply set up a condition whereby he would make the best of things if he got killed. -Frank |
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Dec 22 2006, 12:45 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
He was a spirit (free) before he was in the cyber zombie. The way it read in the book, I find him planning to end up in the Zombie unlikely. More like he planned on sending Mercury across w/ the Heart (mostly 'cause that's what everything was geared to in the first place, then he got trapped in the zombie).
'Cuase he could set some other spirit up there and get back to life. Get back on track with his original plans and all that. After all, he wasn't planning on dying unless he had no choice, and he wasn't planning on ending up in a zombie, he wanted his drake-to-be to do it. So if he could come back, and still have somone guarding the rift w/ the heart, why wouldn't he? Sorry for the late reply |
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Dec 22 2006, 12:53 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I agree that research into blood magic benefitted Dunkelzahn, but I'm not sure I'd say he was the only person who benefitted.
Yeah, but if your theory were true, the whole Aztlan file was a set-up by Dunk anyway. That would hardly make what he said to the others there trustworthy.
Harly would likely not be terribly familiar with Dragon Ritual Magic. Only Dragons can perform it and Barsavian Dragons were outlawed from doing so. Dunk, on the other hand, was very familiar with Dragon Ritual Magic. He performed it in the Fourth World, breaking the rules of the Dragon Council.
My memory's too poor (or maybe I just repressed those novels), but I can't recall whether the Dragonheart Trilogy made it clear or not if the whole assassination was planned. |
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Dec 22 2006, 12:59 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Basically he killed him self, a littel setup contingency IIRC. I always assumed he was using the "dying legacy" sacrifice blood magic thingy from ED (In the Magic&Mysterires book) to empower a legendary magic item. Funny thing with that is that it specifically says that if someone dies this way, they cannot be brought back under any circumstances. and yet there's Lethe. Wonder if being a spirit counts?
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Dec 22 2006, 01:27 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Makes you wonder who put that tac nuke under his limo. I'd pretty much assumed it was his doing. Maybe not. |
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Dec 22 2006, 02:09 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
'cause he carries one around in his over night bag whenever he goes out .... just in case....
Yeah, that little bomb bit was never really explained to my satisfaction. But hey, it's Shadowrun! They don't need to explain things! It's a conspiracy. ;) |
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Dec 22 2006, 02:18 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Gosh, I guess it must have been someone who didn't like Dunkelzahn.
If only there was someone like that in the Shadowrun world! Seriously though, whoever dropped that nuke already dropped it. It's done with. FanPro will probably never explain who did it. Many people have run campaigns where it was revealed to be... whoever hey revealed it to be. Anspecific person or group now would undermine their campaigns. The important bits have been made into official metaplot, who was actually on the Grassy Knoll at the time can vary from game to game without the setting suffering for it. -Frank |
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Dec 22 2006, 02:22 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
But if we didn't nit pick about the details, what would we have to talk about?
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Dec 22 2006, 04:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 470 Joined: 2-January 05 From: Quebec Member No.: 6,924 |
I really should try to track down all the old Shadowrun novels. Sometimes I don't understand what the hell you people are talking about, and I don't just mean the threads where you go all scientific and do mathmatical shit.
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Dec 22 2006, 04:43 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Thanks for your contribution, Frank. Much appreciated. I'd pick the wendigo circle in the parking garage because, well, why the hell not? It may just be the least stupid thing to ever take place in SR's Washington. |
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Dec 22 2006, 06:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 1-December 06 Member No.: 10,116 |
You are not alone in Trax :( |
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Dec 22 2006, 09:22 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
So, ask. Make a thread dedicated to filling in the blanks for those that are as yet novel-deprived. There are quite a few people here who like little better than illuminating people on the various aspects of the game world, as you should know by now. :) |
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Dec 22 2006, 09:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 1-December 06 Member No.: 10,116 |
Quite true. I love this place... I love... all of you! Well, except Toturi. He's a meanie head who ever agrees me with about everything like he should! ;) But in all seriousness, this forum has quickly become one of my top favorites (As if you couldnt tell) largely because of the interesting and generally very educated discussions one can have here. Even if a good deal of it is purely fictional in content. Like this thread for example, and the other on dragons. It's intersting to see everyone's 'take' on various issues and more importantly, the reasons behind it. As for the novels, I'd ask, but i'd much rather infact, aquire said novels and read them myself. I rather enjoyed reading 2XS for example, when I litterally stumbled across it in a used book store. |
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Dec 22 2006, 10:08 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Interestingly enough, I just recently had this very conversation with His Fistiness himself. I highly recommend that people read any (if not all) of the Shadowrun novels. He is somewhat hesitant, considering the admittedly quite bad writing involved in some of them, and the attrocious plotlines of others. My stance is that, despite all the bad points, each and every one gives a further glimpse into the inner workings of the Sixth World. Each and every one can be a source of inspiration for both character and campaign building. Sometimes you just have to take the bad with the good. |
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