 Getting an Election, Seattle's elections |
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 Jan 3 2007, 04:49 PM
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Mr. Johnson  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314  |
Is there any official word (or rumor thereof) about who wins the Seattle elections?
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Jan 3 2007, 04:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
You should create a poll and have dumpshockers vote on who should win for you. That way you have a true democtratic vote from people who are informed about the SR universe
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Jan 3 2007, 04:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 28-July 05 Member No.: 7,526 |
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Jan 3 2007, 07:46 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Yeah, let SR fans vote.
Because it worked out so well when they elected Dunkelzahn to become President of the UCAS. |
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Jan 3 2007, 08:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Nova Scotia, Canada Member No.: 8,631 |
Hey, Dunk as prez would have been great.
To quote: http://www.allenvarney.com/av_shadow.html This past year brought one of Shadowrun's finest hours, the 2057 UCAS presidential election. Five candidates ran, and in the adventures Super Tuesday and Shadows of the Underworld they all offered underhanded jobs to shadowrunners. SR players voted "absentee ballots" for their favorite candidate, and FASA announced the winner in August 1996, at GenCon in Milwaukee. To no one's surprise, the dragon Dunkelzahn won by a landslide -- but it surprised everyone when, in the very moment of the dragon's victory, FASA announced his assassination. "It was so unexpected," says SR line developer Mike Mulvihill, who masterminded the election adventures. "We made it feel like an actual press event. I had people calling my hotel room at 1 or 2 in the morning, asking if it was true. I'm amazed at how well it turned out." Equally amazing was the follow-up sourcebook, Portfolio of a Dragon, in which Dunkelzahn's will (reproduced in full) offers players a rich legacy of mysteries and adventure hooks. ("To the first party to determine what lies behind the door of room 5B78 of the Aztechnology Pyramid in Tenochtitlan, I leave 5 million nuyen or medical care for the remainder of their natural life, whichever seems most appropriate.") I could see them quest as easily let Dunk keep on living, and come up with these plotlines some other way. Or develop plotlines in a different way; sort of like with 24 having the first African American President and the ripples that likely started in certain social circles. |
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Jan 3 2007, 08:44 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
no! you fool! don't mention 24, he'll--oh, god it's too late! it's too late!
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Jan 3 2007, 09:07 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Who, me? But 24 is a great show... It has Bill Clinton's seal of approval and everything...
But seriously, social circles? Civil wars have started over less. |
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Jan 4 2007, 09:36 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
I'm not certain whether you were being facetious in your post, but I think that's a terrible idea. I mean, we're not living in Seattle. We're not being bombarded by messages that half of all prostitutes are elves. Not to mention that we know for a fact that Kenneth Brackhaven is evil, so we're not going to vote for him; and I think we all know that it's quite possible for evil people to be elected to high office. Not to mention that we, as people who feel most sympathy for shadowrunners, are going to be more likely to vote for the ex-fixer than the AR Moms or the Urban Brawl Dads. What might be a better poll would be something like "If you lived in 2070 Seattle, what issue would be most important to you?" or some such, and then base the results on the strengths of the candidates on each issue. |
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Jan 4 2007, 10:32 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,468 Joined: 5-December 06 From: Somewhere in the Flooding, CalFree Member No.: 10,215 |
Now that sounds like a great way to figure out the outcome of the Seattle election. I think we should do that, and by we I mean not myself since I have not a clue about how to run a proper political campaign for a would be governor. I would love to see it happen though. |
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Jan 4 2007, 02:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
LOL. You cant tell me that if anyone else would have died you would not have killed them either? Presidential assisinations are so rare Dunkie would be the 3rd right? (considering if he was assisinated) |
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Jan 4 2007, 02:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
Well if its so bad I guess you will have to wait for the writers to publish who won. My guess is the technocrat lady considering emergence (which I havent got a hold of yet) has just been published. |
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Jan 4 2007, 04:54 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
What? |
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Jan 4 2007, 05:00 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
The 3rd what? UCAS president assasinated? If you're talking real-world US presidents, there have been 4 assasinated while in office. I'm honestly don't know about the Canadians. If you're talking Shadowrun history there's President Garrety in 2016, and I don't know of any others.
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Jan 4 2007, 05:15 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Elections are won by the candidate with the best shadowrunner teams.
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Jan 4 2007, 05:26 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
First of all, we don't know shit about whether he's evil. Just because he's linked to Humanis doesn't, itself, make him evil. It makes his detractors stupid because racist =/= evil. Second, who's this "we" shit? I'd vote for him, if for no other reason than because he's the only decent candidate (how Strouthers got elected in the first place is nothing short of baffling).
No, you wouldn't.
HAHAHAHAHAHA |
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Jan 4 2007, 06:08 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
Poor, poor Garfield and Mckinley. What does a president have to do to be remembered by the citizens of his own country, these days. Even getting assassinated isn't enough! You also need a hook, like starting a civil war or looking pretty on TV.
In the relative sense, nothing is evil. Specifically, if you are a metahuman, Brackhaven is not just evil, he is the Devil. And we have been given no indications that he's well intentioned but misguided. THE DEVIL, I TELL YOU!!! If you are a xenophobic human, he's the greatest statesman since Reagan. Or whoever rocks your boat. |
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Jan 4 2007, 09:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
My fault James. I ment to say....if any of the other canidates had gotten elected would you have assisnated them to? Its one of those what if questions I dont think will ever get answered. But I dont think Dunkie being president is all that bad Although I would say the dragon heart plot line was at least a 5 out of 10 (yeah players go t a lot of good but a lot of bad at the same time). |
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Jan 4 2007, 11:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Nova Scotia, Canada Member No.: 8,631 |
No Canadian Prime Minister (our version of the American President) has been assassinated that I could see. There were two political members assassinated in Canadian history, Pierre Laporte and D'Arcy McGee. Pierre was a Canadian politician who was the Vice-Premier and Minister of Labour of the province of Quebec and was killed October 1970. D'Arcy was a Parliment member for Montreal West and died in 1868. Now, as for Shadowrun history, I don't remember Canada by itself getting very much mention in the pre-UCAS merger timeline, and after checking it over, they are mentioned a few times about NAN and the UCAS merger, both mentioned right away what happened in the US. I also doublechecked with the 6th World Wiki (don't have time to dig out my books right now) to see if there was any notable mention of Canada in the books before the formation of the NAN and UCAS and all the timeline and reference stuff I see happens after Canada gets divided. The thing that I get a kick out of is that, as a Canadian, I still remember when Quebec was trying to seperate. I would love to find the picture they used in the news conference where Native Americans of various councils who have land in Quebec said that they would stay with Canada, and thus Quebec was reduced in land to like a strip along the St Lawrence river or something. Be kinda interesting if that was what the Republic of Québec ended up with instead of taking over Newfoundland (but not Labrador). |
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Jan 5 2007, 09:28 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
It was Dunkelzahn who was supposed to die the whole time. However, it's not like he wasn't leading throughout the entire voting period, so it's not like it wouldn't make a major impact rather than all the sudden he just disappears off the face of the Earth, never to be seen again (That's his translator's job, apparently). So, no, because it wasn't about the President getting whacked. It was about the wyrm getting whacked. But quite frankly, the whole thing was nonsense, as were the candidates. Dunk was painted from the very beginning as the "good" candidate, which is bullshit because there never will be such a creature in Presidential elections. Likewise, FASA's, and now Fanpro's, aversion to professional politicians getting anywhere is fucking retarded. With the exception of General Yeats, the 2057 candidates would never have made it through the primary process. What amazes me is that the UCAS has the worst electoral system in the world - a system that doesn't even work for municipal mayoral elections, let alone Presidential elections - because there is no process by which to cull the dead weight candidates, and ensure that the President was elected by at least a large plurality (e.g., 40%+1) of votes. For as progressive as the authors are, or wish to be, there are several options which could be utilized (that is, outside of this ridiculous multi-party system, like even the Canadians tolerate a Dutch-style coalition government) such as Instant Runoff Voting (especially given the whole "remote vote" system). IIRC, Dunkelzahn won with 23% of the vote. Even if he had lived, let alone if anyone else had one, getting anything done that required legislation (IOW, anything that needs funding - everything) would have stalled forever in Congress. Bang up system, there. Real winner.
To be fair, Reagan won his elections. Four times, in fact. As for the election, Brackhaven would be getting token assistance from the party. Winning a primary by destroying your opponent doesn't endear them to helping you out in the general. In many cases, all they have to do is not pick up the phone, and unless you are a super-candidate, you lose by 45 points on election day against one general opponent. The fact that Brackhaven pissed off his party presumptive nominee, the core of the party which he carpetbagged his way into (that is, the people who run shit within the party), and the national party's standard-bearer, and yet still leads, is a testament to being a Hell of a statesman, period. |
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Jan 6 2007, 10:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 27-October 02 From: Chicago Containment Zone Member No.: 3,504 |
This was actually one of the things I'd wondered most about in the UCAS congressional system. I figure that it actually does resort to coalition-building, unless someone can point to where it says otherwise (probably the DC section in NAGNA). However, it seems that in such systems, the coalition only ends up becoming a party in and of themselves in the SR world, such as with the CAS and their shakeup in SoNA. |
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Jan 7 2007, 04:51 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
Of course he did. What would be the point of making him a model for future generations of conservative if he hadn't had a successful career? |
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Jan 8 2007, 12:21 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 24-May 03 Member No.: 4,629 |
Well, you could always switch to a CAS-style Uber-Democracy, where everymorning you wake up, log in, and check all the issues that you have to vote on today ... city, county, state, and federal, with every issue needing a simple majority to pass.
Of course, this could also drive you insane, so. |
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Jan 8 2007, 03:04 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Close as I can tell, that was retconned out of existence (along with every other goddamn thing from NAGNA) in SoNA.
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Jan 8 2007, 03:42 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
NAGNA has some serious issues. I know large portions of the NYC chapter defy logic completely.
But yes, the UCAS election system is pretty screwed up. I can only imagine that the initial ideas about it put down in early Shadowrun books were written by people who didn't really know much about the U.S. political system or care that much to make sure the SR election system made sense. |
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Jan 8 2007, 09:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 27-October 02 From: Chicago Containment Zone Member No.: 3,504 |
I thought that was the Ute system, not CAS? |
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