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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 21-December 06 Member No.: 10,416 ![]() |
Some of the places that actually sell bolo shot recommend using it at longer ranges, but I don't think it would have the range or accuracy of a single slug. The effect of the wire pulling taut between the shot would have to mess up the tragectory. They are rather expensive too, and I would be worried about it fouling inside the barrel. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 22-November 06 Member No.: 9,934 ![]() |
longer ranges being what? the line doesn't have to be taught since the kinetic energy of the round travelling past the target will provide tension enough to deal damage. the Paino wire is supposed to wrap around the target limbs anyway. the misfire chacnes are the same as a regular round. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 21-December 06 Member No.: 10,416 ![]() |
Longer range isn't specified, but probably at least 15 or 20 meters. The cord would pull tightas the weights moved apart from each other. Unless they had a good gyroscopic effect like the hand thrown bolo, that sudden snap would pull the weights back toward each other, and so on. I think the misfire chances would be higher. The stranger the stuff you try to shoot down the barrel, the better the chance of something going wrong. It is possible for things to jam up in in the barrel. A friend of mine tried firing a load of rubber shot from his shotgun and it jammed up in the barrel. Not sure how it happened really, but it did. After seeing that, my box of the same ammo hasn't even been opened. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 314 Joined: 25-February 06 Member No.: 8,307 ![]() |
Does it have to be fired from a shotgun?
I think it would work better fired from something like a netgun (real ones, not the ones from Street Sam) Basically, you have 2 projectiles that fire out and to the sides, with a line between them (net guns use 4 at the corners of the net). It would be an exotic weapon, but intimidating, and using rope instead of microwire it would be useful for captures as well. Range would suck, however. (Anybody see Ted Nugent chasing contestants with a net gun from his helicopter? Man, good times...) |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 22-November 06 Member No.: 9,934 ![]() |
it's always possible (in game terms a glitch can result in a misifre) but moreso when firing exotic rounds from a rifled barrel, a shotgun isn't rifled and just throws object forward. the important thing is...has it ever happened again? the free action to adjust the choke to the range of the target will most likely be a must. so that the rounds don't get to the extent and use rebounding force in between hitting a target, and extending again. yes specialty guns are better but the versatility of the shotgun is why I want to use that instead in addition there is a Real life round being manufactured and sold with this application, so as son as I find some test results for it I'll have a better picture to associate rules with it. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 ![]() |
I really doubt you will ever find serious test results. People who make such novelty ammunition aren't big on testing them, in case people find out they're not half as scary as they're making them up to be, and others don't take them seriously enough to test them. There are apparently no shotgun flechette round terminal ballistics test results publically available, so finding some for bolo rounds is highly unlikely.
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 24-May 03 Member No.: 4,629 ![]() |
A bit of a threadjack, here, but, it's the new ammo thread, right? So anyone can post new ammo? Because, like, I figured stretching a thread out was better than starting a new one. :)
Drekky Ammo (Cost: 2Y per 10 shots) In the high-powered Shadowrun world, ballistic technology and armor tech wages a constant battle, where once deadly 'Cop Killer' bullets are a minor annoyance but high-end APDS can still tear through armored jackets like they weren't there. Standard Ammo is a high quality, up-to-date armor piercing round, but not everyone can afford two Nuyen bullets for simple target practice. Enter Drekky Ammo. Drekky Ammo is "Civillian Use" ammo, bought by the box for target shooting, loaded by lil' ol' ladies for their husband's 60 year old pistol, or scavenged up by street gangs who can't find anything else in their price range. While Drekky Ammo has plenty of problems with today's modern armor blends, it's just as effective on bare skin as any other bullet. Drekky Ammo loads result in +0 Power, +3 AP ... that is to say, they *raise* the armor value of any armor worn by +3. Note that a target without armor does not receive a bonus. Silver Bullets (Cost: 100Y per 10 shots) In a magic-filled Sixth World, many an old legend has proven to have validity, not the least of which is the power of a silver bullet. Several Metatypes have a silver allergic reaction, while others, such as shifters, are horribly so. Whereas a paranormal critter might shrug off your Fichetti Security 600, they won't be quite so cocky when your Ares IV slams some Lone Ranger brand bullets right between their eyes! Silver Bullets are, well, Silver, and as such, can get past several critters' protections. They're softer than normal ammunition, however, as well as expensive, and aren't well-suited for shooting ordinary targets. Silver Bullet loads result in +0 Power, +1 AP ... that is to say, they *raise* the armor value of any worn armor by +1. Note that a target without armor does not receive a bonus. |
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Immoral Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 ![]() |
Nice! I like both of those. :)
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 21-December 06 Member No.: 10,416 ![]() |
Good idea about target ammo. I would allow .22 ammo in the game which was really cheap and the characters would use for practice. Even today is it possible to get adaptors for many pistols and rifles. Your price is probably about right for 2070, or you could make it even lower. Today, .22s can go for about $3 per 50 or about $300 per 5,000. .40 caliber can go for $22 per 50 or $220 per 500.
Silver bullets would have a place too. Another option is wooden slugs for shotgun rounds for use on vampires. Rather than the standard baton round, this would be sharpened on one end and would only work at close range. Something else to consider would be hollow "cargo" slugs. The slug could be filled with a liguid or solid material that would affect the target. Rounds sort of like this exist today, though they really don't have real use and I don't know how well they would work. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,266 Joined: 3-June 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,638 ![]() |
I'd have thought that light ammo for target shooting, such as the .22 stuff, would also have a lower damage code, in addition to not being available for all gun types or requiring special modification. Of course, not being intimately familliar with guns I couldn't say for certain. Maybe one of the resident weapons specialists could enlighten us?
I wouldn't see much demand for such ammunition off the target range. Gangers are going to want as big a bang for their buck as possible, while little old ladies thinking of home defence aren't going to need large quantities of ammunition, so can probably stretch to a box of regular rounds. Silver ammo is a good idea, likely on the market in the 6th World, especially in places where paranormal critters might be a problem. I think you might have pitched the cost too high though the penetration modifier looks good. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 21-December 06 Member No.: 10,416 ![]() |
.22 would be equivalent to light pistols, in terms of damage from handguns. A conversion kit for other pistols, not revolvers, would run 150 to 300 nuyen as kits today run about that. You would alse need special magazines as well, which would cost the same as regular magazines, but could only use .22s. Kits would also be available to rifles. I would say have them do light pistol damage, maybe plus one point, but have a longer range. The SMG ranges should work. In Shadowrunning, .22s would have a place. Those pistols are cheap and enough to kill someone up close, so they could be used in hits, like they are today. There are also .22 heavily silenced rifles used as sniper rifles. With subsonic ammunition, they are very quiet but are only effective to about 100 yards and even then you have to aim for the head. Or, as the Isrealis are rumored to do, they use these rifles to shoot rioting men in the jewels, which has a calming effect on the other men out there. Since it is silent with not muzzle flash, the targets wouldn't have a clue where it is coming from. They could also be part of a survival kit. A .22 rifle wouldn't help against a bear, but you could kill rabbits and squirrels to eat and you could carry a lot of ammo for little weight. As for the little old lady thing. I could see them as using hold out pistols. Cost wouldn't have as much to do with it as not being able to handle firing a heavier pistol. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 24-May 03 Member No.: 4,629 ![]() |
Drekky Ammo + Streeline Special = Disposa-Gun for young gangbangers. You're 14, live at home, but wanna make a mark? Here ya go, kid, take this and go shoot so-n-so's lil' brother at school, show him we mean bidness. Do that and you're in.
Or the like. As for silver bullets, modern day silver shelled rounds are about $5 each, while solid silver are in the $7-10 range. So, I figured 10 Nuyen a pop for a nice round number. (This ignores inflation and that conversion of 4 UCAS dollars to a single Nuyen, but, hey, the Chromed Accountant's over THAT way.) |
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