 Sacrificing and PCs in SR3, Where does it say that PCs can't learn |
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 Jan 11 2007, 06:43 PM
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Neophyte Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327  |
But do the dancers know it's a sacrifice, maybe they thought they were just giving themselves into the 'dance' to give it power. Not a sacrifice... until their life force got ripped from their bodies and they toppled over dead. Maybe they thought their buddies were just falling over unconscious from the exertion of the dance and not death. Ooops.
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Jan 11 2007, 10:16 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
Vader fucked up while killing Obi Wan? How? I mean, he didn't get to dismember the body afterwards (since it disappeared). But I would have thought Obi Wan fucked up more [attempting] killing Vader. And the Sadaam execution was no more fucked up than every single other thing that we've heard about over there since Bagdad fell [the first time]. |
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Jan 11 2007, 11:22 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Part of the power of the Ghost Dance comes from the fact that the participants are willing to sacrifice themselves. It wouldn't be effective if they were somehow deceived or misled as to the (possible) outcome. |
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Jan 12 2007, 12:40 AM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Well if I agreed that Blood Magic was inherently evil then I might say that there is a difference between mundanely sacrificing yourself and Sacrificing yourself via having your lifeforce/soul ripped out in order to power a magical spell.
Of course, personally I believe that Blood Magic like anything else is a tool, but that it is a very dangerous one because of the temptation of looking at your fellow meta-humans as Mana-batteries. In my opinion there should be very, very little if anything in a Cyberpunk game that is truely Evil and even *LESS* that is truely Good. |
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Jan 12 2007, 12:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 865 Joined: 31-December 03 From: Shadows of Britain Member No.: 5,944 |
Dont forget boys and girls that Blood Magic actually IS inherantly evil. If the likes of Harlequinn and Ehran are to be believed. I Believe it is the Aztlan book (or perhaps something detailing amazonia, i`m sure Ancient History could give us the referance) Where there is the big discussion between a couple of the Immortal elves, including Harlequinn and a few other shadow posters in the know (Dunkie may have been one of them) and the Ghost Dance comes up as being the very beacon that damages the barrier or what have you that was keeping the Horrors out and causing the rift to open a little more. I do recall they directly go as far as saying that ANY form of sacrificial magic, willing, unwilling or anything is BAD mojo that just attracts things you really dont want to be attracting....
(Going to have a nose through my SR library to get the book its all from) |
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Jan 12 2007, 01:12 AM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Well personally I try not to believe anything the immortals have to say, even when speaking among themselves in a Matrix forum. But I'd like to point out that just because using something is a very, very bad idea because it will quicken the coming of the next Scourge isn't the same as being Evil.
At least in my opinion.... *winks* |
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Jan 12 2007, 01:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 865 Joined: 31-December 03 From: Shadows of Britain Member No.: 5,944 |
Oh and more On Topic. I was alwyas under the impression that anything listed as Threats were designed to be used as Antagonists to the average campaign (hence the term Threats) as opposed to being available to PC's. Though that said it does address the term Characters who know the Sacrificing Metamagc can summon blood spirits... but that geas has got to be a bugger.....
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Jan 12 2007, 04:51 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
The Great Ghost Dance caused a mana spike due to its sheer size. Any act of magic on that scale, blood sacrifice or not, will cause a massive mana spike. It just happens to be that the Horrors can use such a spike to build a bridge. However, one should not forget that the spike was closed by the Dragonheart, a powerful blood magic artifact. Blood magic isn't inherently bad, raw magic on a huge scale inherently causes mana spikes. And yes, Threats is for threat NPCs. However, nothing explicitly forbids PCs from learning the metamagic (unlike in SR2) and many non-threat NPCs know it by canon. In fact, the text gives one method that can be used by any character who wants to learn it for to learn it and a completely different method that only Threats can use to learn it. |
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Jan 12 2007, 09:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 865 Joined: 31-December 03 From: Shadows of Britain Member No.: 5,944 |
Still digging for the bit i`m on about. Tsk, all you naughty people wanting to kill things for POWER!!!!
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Jan 12 2007, 10:22 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Can you think of a better reason?
~J |
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Jan 12 2007, 10:24 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
There's only a finite number of potential enemies in the world, so you need to find the way to get the most complete use out of each one. This appears to be:
1) tranq them 2) take their stuff 3) mimc them on the matrix and drain all resources they might have 4) blackmail anyone who might care 5) ritual sacrificing to power magic 6) sell any used cyberware/bioware not pulled out in step 2 7) organlegging 8) sell remaining meat-parts to ghouls Did I miss any? |
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Jan 12 2007, 10:27 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
You need to figure out if using them as slave labor would gain or lose you money (possible organ degradation, etc.).
~J |
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Jan 12 2007, 10:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 865 Joined: 31-December 03 From: Shadows of Britain Member No.: 5,944 |
Using their Hair for wigs.
Teeth to make false sets for paying clients. Not sure if the above are naturally inclusive in organ legging since niether are organs. Take any shoes they may own. Sell their clothes. Take blood samples to use as false DNA leads on future crime scenes. Drain their tear ducts and keep untill you can sell bottled water to the tourists. |
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Jan 13 2007, 12:02 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Bah.
A real bastard would save their tears solely to sustain himself. |
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Jan 13 2007, 12:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 865 Joined: 31-December 03 From: Shadows of Britain Member No.: 5,944 |
A Real Bastard!!! would drain said enemy's tear ducts while they are alive an concious... now thats just nasty... Not sure if it counts as Sacrificing though..... perhaps part of a Ritual....
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