Criminal SIN flaw, who, exactly, gets one? Options

[bait]

Its more like pocketing the credstick as the person caught with it has no means of verifying it was his to start with.

[cetiah]

[Kesslan]

Well my own take on SIN and Criminal SIN is this.

They are both one and the same really. But one is just a 'flagged' SIN. It's flat out stated that any SINless caught in the comission of a crime and sent to prison now, has a SIN. They are issued one. This is really purely for heping to keep track of all the paperwork. It has everything a normal SIN does. But its also got a big flag that pops up as a warning. This guy has been CONVICTED of a crime. Not accused. Convicted.

Thus if a person with a regular SIN goes and murders some one and is arrested and convicted. Their regular SIN is now flagged as 'Criminal'. Nothing else changes. It's just an appended flag. I mean programming wise when it goes to say buying a certain item it's really quite simple.

Joe Moe is buying some tools that could both be used for totally legitimate reasons, or criminal ones. He goes to the register (or waht ever the hell they have in 2070) to pay for the item.

System:
If purchaser buying items X = Criminal THEN sale = Denied!
ELSE if purchaser buying items X Does NOT = Criminal THEN Sale = SOLD!

Basically if your flagged. You cant buy that item, or that plane ticket. If your not your fine. You'll also have totally different 'degrees' of criminal SINs. You commit -any- crime at all that your convicted of. You get a criminal flag. Stole $100 from some dude? Criminal flag. Murdered 20 people? Criminal flag.

The difference is in the restrictions. The guy that stole $100 and spent a year in jail for it or something wont have many restrictions. He could say.. travel anywehre within the country and leave it. He just cant legally buy certain items like say.. a gun.

Criminal #2 on the other hand is not allowed to travel out of lets say.. Seattle for the next 10 years. He's not allowed to buy guns, armor, butcher knives, chain saws and a large plethora of other items he's in the past been proven to use for criminal means.

Both of them applying to an employer would have the criminal flag pop up along with probably a list of convicted offences. The 'petty theft' guy obviously wont get a job as a security guard unless he's realy lucky (Or the corp is hiring flat out thugs) nor will the mass muderer. But Criminal #1 can get a job working say.. as a table waiter in a restauraunt. While Criminal #2 cant get any job better than janitorial work or flipping soyburgers.

[cetiah]

[hyzmarca]

Actually, there are a few tidbits of information that a SINless' Criminal SIN will not have. Nationality, citizenship status, date of birth, place of birth, parent's identities, and name are all unverifiable. Instead it would have approximate age and aliases with everything else blank or NA.

The lack of any nationality or citizenship is the most damaging aspect of such a SIN. Any person with a such a Criminal SIN would pretty much be stuck in the International Transit Lounge forever, by law. He can't be in the country but he can't be deported to anywhere, either.

Now, according to UCAS law all SINless within UCAS borders are "probationary citizens" and thus this will be noted on the Criminal SIN. This solves the problem of the SINless having no legal status like that guy in The Terminal, but it creates a massive wet-feet/dry-feet policy that encourages illegal immigration (or would if the UCAS actually had a good economy).
Other jurisdictions will vary.

[Cheops]

Note also that a SINless being issued a criminal SIN won't have:

Job history
Credit history
Purchases for the past 31 days

and other such consumer information that is stored on a normal SIN. However, all this stuff will start piling up once it is issued.

[Kesslan]

Aye. Well thats the thing though. Any 'fresh' SIN would lack alot of that info too. There is another comment about stealing and using SINs that are assigned to unidenfied dead folk. Usually dead homeless/criminals who were SINless.

It states that there's a database of these 'temporary' SINs that float around. Their only good for 1-3 days tops, and they lack any credit history. But one suggestion made if your found out to have such a SIN which lacks any real history is to just claim that your 'a new immigrant'.

So I supose it can really work a number of ways. A SINer who's accused of a crime is flagged iwth a criminal SIN. This could be either a seperate or more likely to me at least, attached file to the regular SIN. If convicted the criminal SIN overrieds the primary SIN and that primary SIN now simply rides shotgun to the criminal one.

IN the case of a SINless who's accused of a crime. Well.. that criminal SIN is the only SIN they have. But just because your SINless doenst mean a criminal SIN is the only one you can get. You CAN if yoru lucky get a totally normal SIN. Though it too would be lacking certain information, that information where avaiable would simply be added over time. Any unknowns that even the person with the new SIN in question doesnt even know, woudl likely remain permanantly blank with a link to an explanation as to WHY say.. country of birth is unknown.

[Cheops]

[Kesslan]