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 Jan 30 2007, 03:03 AM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 3,382 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Shadowland Member No.: 8,297  |
If you haven't seen this then read these articles about what the inventors are calling a BAN - Body Area Network.
Article I Article II - You don't have to install Chinese characters and can still read the article. Just thought that you might be interested. |
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Jan 30 2007, 03:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,510 |
You know, after reading these I've discovered there's very few things you could do that wouldn't creep me out if you describe what it is and then add the words "using the human body". "Transfer data" doesn't seem that icky until you add "using the human body" and then it just gives me shivers.
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Jan 30 2007, 03:12 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 6-December 06 Member No.: 10,259 |
Cool and freaky at the same time. Fear and awe, a powerful combination.
As long as I'm in control of it, I don't mind weak currents moving across the surface of my body. As soon as others do it though... |
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Jan 30 2007, 08:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 393 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,754 |
Skinlink anyone? It even lists the same advantages.
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Jan 30 2007, 01:06 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
i could have sworn i read about a patent application from microsoft for something similar some years back. i wonder what happened to it.
in a way this is a inevitable invention as we know the body can be used to transport electrical energy. its just a question about how much juice you have to pump into the signal to make sure it gets to every part of the body as i think human flesh have a somewhat high resistance. |
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Jan 30 2007, 01:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,510 |
As far as I know its still in development. |
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Jan 30 2007, 03:09 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
As long as the Amps are super low, who cares? |
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Jan 30 2007, 03:51 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Me. ;) (They'd have to be super low in milliamps, not amps.)
According to a PDF from the CDC: 1.2 Milliamps is the Perception Threshold (you can tell you're being shocked) 10-20 Milliamps is Painful; Let-Go Threshold; Can kill in time. 100 Milliamps can kill in a second; Can't let go 200 Milliamps kills; causes heart fibrillation, burns human flesh Full PDF (looks like a port of a slide show) can be found here. |
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Jan 30 2007, 03:54 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Corrected thread title.
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Jan 30 2007, 03:54 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...hmmm 20 CM is about 7 3/4 inches. That means on a crowded transit vehicle, crowded street (such as are very prevalent in places like Tokyo, London, New York), there could still be the potential for signal overlap if something like this ever went wide market.
This brings up the old "Handshake" scenario mentioned in a Skinlink thread here on DS a few months past. The way this is described merely brushing up against someone could be enough to "hack" into their system. [getting on a crowded bus, on person bumps into another then stands next to them. Both have a RedTaction type system] Person 1: "Excuse me, sorry" Person # 2: [after getting off checks pockets] "Hmm...wallet & keys are still there..." Person # 2: [later on at the cash machine] "...I knew I had more than that in my account" |
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Jan 30 2007, 04:17 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
Frequency counts too. At high frequencies you can't tell, so a blanket statement like that isn't true unless your talking about a specific frequency. My guess would be that the CDC is talking about 60Hz household frequencies which is well within the range of what you can feel. Electrosurgery uses high frequencies that can't be felt as anything other than burning. The linked wiki article has some good information about current densities and power. |
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Jan 30 2007, 04:19 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
No idea. I just remembered that a lethal shock was usually measured in milliamps, rather than amps. The other stuff was just random "check this out".
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Jan 30 2007, 04:24 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,333 Joined: 19-August 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9,168 |
Yeah, they're gonna add it to the Zune, so when the three guys that still use it meet, they can shake hands, and find out that they can't share 2/3rds of their music.... Sorry, I couldn't resist. Given the number of random contacts I have with people daily, I *don't* think I'll be picking this idea up. I don't even enable my bluetooth 95% of the time, because it's so easy to hack. If someone just had to touch me? Nuh uh. |
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Jan 30 2007, 04:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 668 Joined: 4-September 06 Member No.: 9,304 |
Add in Intel's announcement about nanite sized transistors(?), and we are seeing SR being turned into reality.
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Jan 30 2007, 05:11 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
the hardest part is still the DNI and simsense...
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Jan 30 2007, 05:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 393 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,754 |
It's actually mentioned in the articles. The difference between the two is that MS's patent is for transferring power with direct skin contact and this thing transfers data within 20cm. |
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Jan 30 2007, 05:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 393 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,754 |
Can people really hack an account in about 5 seconds? Because that's as much time as they'd have if they bump into you. Either that or they'd have to sit uncomfortably close to you (in which case you can turn it off). |
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Jan 30 2007, 06:08 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,333 Joined: 19-August 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9,168 |
Currently? Probably not. Pretty soon? Probably so. I always give the hacker more credit than the security. I suspect you can simply add a receptor in those 5 seconds, and then figure out what to do.
I mean, you can use a game boy to grab wireless signals transmitted by car remotes. There's wierd stuff out there. |
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Jan 30 2007, 06:32 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
That depends on how many initiative passes he gets and how imbalanced your defenses versus his hacking programs are. |
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