 Stealthy sam seeks stealthy weapons. Help? |
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 Feb 2 2007, 10:23 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 941 Joined: 25-January 07 Member No.: 10,765  |
Ideally, a truly stealthy sam would only need a weapon to deal with any target he has specifically been sent to get, and maybe not even then, depending on the means of kacking the target.
Anything ranged is going to be loud to some extent. It will be loud because you have to launch the projectile, it will be loud because the projectile must impact something with some force. Magic could be a way to go for maximum stealth, after all does a sleep spell make any noise? But you don't want magic, you want ninja samurai. My advice is as always to talk to your GM about what you are trying to do with this character and ask him what are quiet ways to take someone out. He'll hopefully tell you what works in HIS world view. |
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Feb 4 2007, 07:26 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 12-August 06 Member No.: 9,092 |
A taser would not be a good stealth weapon. When people are tasered they squel like pigs.
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Feb 4 2007, 09:49 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,629 Joined: 14-December 06 Member No.: 10,361 |
"Here's your patriot act right here!"
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Feb 4 2007, 10:02 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
That's because you've never seen a FASA Taser, which mysteriously knocks people unconscious instead of making them fall down, twitch and hurt a lot like real Tasers. |
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Feb 4 2007, 10:05 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Ah, but now they are not using FASA tasers, but Fanpro ones. Of course with house rules, one can always tilt the field in favor of the weapon you wish to use which the OP's group seems to have done.
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Feb 4 2007, 11:32 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,311 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 2,062 |
Crossbow or bow if you want to make silent kills at range.
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Feb 5 2007, 07:40 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 12-August 06 Member No.: 9,092 |
That was in bad taste, yet totally appropriate. |
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Feb 5 2007, 08:30 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Don't use a taser. That'll just make him squeal like a pig.
Use a super-shock volt gun. The kind which fries out hearts (bio or cyber) in one shot. :) |
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Feb 5 2007, 08:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 693 Joined: 26-March 03 Member No.: 4,335 |
I suggest a good infiltration skill, a densiplast extendable baton, and enough clubs skill to turn sentries into limp bodies in one hit. Oh, yes - and a good initiative to help with those surprise tests. They can't warn anyone if they can't react to your presence.
I also suggest using edge on the sneaky hit - if this is your character's defining moment in a run, then make the most of it. Ranged? Do the same thing with a rock and the thrown weapons skill. On the cheap? Barehanded cyborged strangulation might work. How much strength can you buy up in your cyberhands on the cheap? (max 9 for a human) Distractions also help, as someone else mentioned. No need to get exotic with tasers or drugs. |
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Feb 5 2007, 08:52 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Of course, guards sometimes have biomonitors...
So the best sneak is one that's not seen at all. Rutherenium and crazy-mad Infiltration would be a boon here. |
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Feb 5 2007, 09:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: 9-August 06 From: Holiday Florida Member No.: 9,055 |
While I was in the Marines we were taught to approach from behind, then simultaneously clasp a hand over the mouth while stabbing our K-Bar into their kidney. The pain would be so intense most people would instantly faint, and those who didn't would be incapable of screaming. The side benefit of this is that the dude either makes no noise, not alerting anyone, or a ton of noise, thus alerting your guys and not just his buddies. If the sentry made just a bit of noise, his fellow sentries might here, while your guys (usually concealed a ways behind you) might not know you screwed the pooch.
I realize this is a little bit more 'lethal' a strategy, but it can be adapted. There are naturally occuring neuro-toxins that actually have not other effect than intense pain. Strangely enough, the Duckbilled Platapus secretes one of these from a sort of 'spur' located on the hind legs and used for fighting other Platapi(sp?) for dominance. An impact triggered applicator filled with a substance like this would work great, and besides a traumatic memory, would be relatively harmless. (By the way, sorry for the long haiatus, I had some work and family stuff going on. I'll be updating www.heavyangel.com in the near future) |
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Feb 5 2007, 09:42 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
What's a K-Bar?
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Feb 5 2007, 09:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 10-April 06 Member No.: 8,447 |
It's a knife, one used by the US army.
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Feb 5 2007, 09:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Iraq Member No.: 1,789 |
This:
K-Bar |
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Feb 5 2007, 10:47 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
As noted by Christopher Lee in the DVD commentary for Lord of the Rings...
Apparently, a person stabbed in the back does not typically make any sort of scream. At best you get a sort of surprised "ah!" easily covered by a hand over the mouth. The good Mr. Lee was educating the movie makers about this because his character does, indeed, get stabbed in the back, and they wanted him to scream dramatically and otherwise carry on loudly during the scene. While he would not give specifics on HOW he knew this fact, it should be noted that in the past he was a member of the British Special Operations Executive. They took him at his word. The scene plays out with him giving a suprised, "ah!" as he gets a knife in the back. :D If you want to be extra careful, time your grab-n-stab to coincide with the target's exhalation of breath, so even if he wanted to scream he has no air to do it with. -karma |
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Feb 5 2007, 11:00 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Who does he play, again?
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Feb 5 2007, 11:06 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Saruman.
-karma |
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Feb 5 2007, 11:10 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Did I miss something? I don't remember him getting knifed. |
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Feb 5 2007, 11:25 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
He does in the extra special director's extended megacut.
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Feb 6 2007, 01:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: 9-August 06 From: Holiday Florida Member No.: 9,055 |
Thats the super diamond tiger-stripe edition right? I am sooo sick of buying more than one version of a damn movie... Anyways to get back on topic, the suggestion about waiting for exhalation is excellent, but hard to employ unless your target is smoking, then its cake. Another fun one is just to make sure your taking them down somewhere with pleanty of cover noise. Since most of the operations a shadowrunner is going to be involved in are urban, that shouldn't be that hard. Just wait for a passing low altittude aircraft or large truck. Hell, the garbage truck that woke me up at 5:30am this morning woulda worked great. |
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Feb 6 2007, 03:07 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Grima Wormtongue knifes him while he's standing on his ruined tower, after the Ents wrecked everything, talking down to Gandalf and company who want him to surrender quietly. He then takes a header off the tower slamming into a couple of things on the way down and ends up impaled on some sort of giant spiked wheel thing, which then slowly rolls him into the water. Everyone below just has this, "Ew, ow, OW, thats just wrong" look of horrified fascination watching him fall.
Even better if you can whisper to your vict-, er, target to go ahead and scream, cos nobody can hear him. ...What? :) Yah, the knife is the best all round stealthy weapon, I think. An alternative is a plastic bag. Takes longer, though, as you have to wait for the target to suffocate. Perhaps they have cut resistant permanently sealing plastic bags in the future. Just bag the guy's head and leave, trusting in his blindness and panic to keep him in the same spot while he futilely tries to claw the bag off. -karma |
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Feb 6 2007, 03:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: 9-August 06 From: Holiday Florida Member No.: 9,055 |
God can you imagine the warning labels on somthing like that? Im actually kind of fond of garrotes as well, but once again this is a leathal option. |
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Feb 6 2007, 03:42 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,333 Joined: 19-August 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9,168 |
You're a scary scary guy, you know that? More so because I'm now combining this idea with something Gibson brings up in the Idoru series - a sort of smart polymer that contracts when attacked or pressed. It's a horrible horrible idea of slipping a bag with this polymer over someone's head, and then explaining to them that if they cooperate, someone will be along with a dissolver soon enough, and they'll be fine. If they struggle or scream, the bag (which would naturally muffle sound via white noise generators) will contract, and they'll start to suffocate. THey'll scream for a second, of course, and it'll tighten just enough to make them uncomfortable, and then they'll listen very very closely. It has the side benefit of not giving them *any* hope of wrestling the weapon away and attacking you - it's a bag. They can't use it against you.... |
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Feb 6 2007, 05:20 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
People have told me that, yes.
It would appear I'm not the only scary guy here. :) What you describe is similar to the restraint devices I came up with once, for a story. It was a simple metal wire, with a galvanic muscle sensor that reacted to motion by shortening. It was arranged so it could be slipped over a person's head like a hat band, or really over any part of the body. If the target moved, even to talk or shift position, it would tighten. If the target didn't stop moving or talking, it would just continue to tighten. I leave the results to your imagination. Hmm.. On the subject of keeping things quiet, it should be possible to generate a gas or particle cloud that causes a person breathing it in to have their airways constrict, similar to a person having a severe asthma attack. Targets would be both silenced quickly and largely unable to put up much resistance to a followup assault on their location. -karma |
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