RL - the only thing scarier than Hell's Angels

RL - the only thing scarier than Hell's Angels, ...is their lawyer

mfb View Member Profile	Feb 4 2007, 05:30 AM Post #26
Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670	i figure there are UCAS lawyers and then there are UCAS lawyers. every nation in North America (and every mega with operations there) probably has a cadre of lawyers who specialize in every other nation (and mega's) laws. the lawyers the Ancients hire probably are citizens of the UCAS, in order to provide at least the illusion of distance from the Tir. but their true interests and loyalties likely lie in the Tir.

hyzmarca

Feb 4 2007, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE (SL James)

QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 3 2007, 08:33 AM)

QUOTE (Grinder @ Feb 3 2007, 03:29 AM)

QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 3 2007, 02:42 AM)

The Hell's Angels' reputation for violence, while not totally undeserved, is rather overhyped. Most of them are nice and easygoing guys.

Yeah, like the half dozen Hells Angels here in Bremen, who beat up a tattoo artist I know, only because he said his honest opinion about a Hells Angels-affiliated tattoo artist.

You can't judge a whole group by the actions of six, unless that group only has six members.

And if you do, then for the love of God at least tell an anecdote with some panache, like the one about the Hell's Angels who beat a man to death at Altamont during a Stones concert.

It was a stabbing, and it illustrates one very good piece of advice that every Johnson should follow. Do not, under any circumstances, pay your freelancers with a large quantity of beer up front.

Wounded Ronin

Feb 4 2007, 10:57 PM

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Some guys at my old school were general macho pricks who caused little amounts of trouble and showed off the phones and trainers their parents bought them, anyway, occasionally there would be some bashings or fights, with occasional weapons and etc. (remember this is australia) One day they apparently had a go at some guys riding past on their harleys, and the bikers looped around, followed them into a backstreet on their bikes, and pulled out sawed off shotguns from their saddle-bags. Those guys shat themselves, because in australia most of us rarely ever see guns except on the hips of cops and occasionally on farms.

That's hysterically funny. Now I want to start an enormous gun collection when I get back to the US so that whenever I have visitors from Europe or Australia I can make them think that I'm a maniac. Then I'll off-handedly claim that my collection is rather small and that most Americans keep M249s and 1000 rounds of 5.56 ammo in their bathtub so that they can take cover there and cover the bathroom door in the event that USAS-12 wielding home invaders come calling.

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Grinder

Feb 5 2007, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE (SL James)

QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 3 2007, 08:33 AM)

QUOTE (Grinder @ Feb 3 2007, 03:29 AM)

QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 3 2007, 02:42 AM)

The Hell's Angels' reputation for violence, while not totally undeserved, is rather overhyped. Most of them are nice and easygoing guys.

Yeah, like the half dozen Hells Angels here in Bremen, who beat up a tattoo artist I know, only because he said his honest opinion about a Hells Angels-affiliated tattoo artist.

You can't judge a whole group by the actions of six, unless that group only has six members.

And if you do, then for the love of God at least tell an anecdote with some panache, like the one about the Hell's Angels who beat a man to death at Altamont during a Stones concert.

I never wanted to judge a whole group by the action of a handful of its members - all I wanted to do was to give an example how some of them might think and act, with a story that I can confirm as true.

lorechaser

Feb 5 2007, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE (Grinder)

QUOTE (Grinder @ Feb 3 2007, 03:29 AM)

QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 3 2007, 02:42 AM)

The Hell's Angels' reputation for violence, while not totally undeserved, is rather overhyped. Most of them are nice and easygoing guys.

Yeah, like the half dozen Hells Angels here in Bremen, who beat up a tattoo artist I know, only because he said his honest opinion about a Hells Angels-affiliated tattoo artist.

I never wanted to judge a whole group by the action of a handful of its members - all I wanted to do was to give an example how some of them might think and act, with a story that I can confirm as true.

I think responding to a post that said HA's were nice and easy going with "Yeah, like these people who did bad things" was pretty much intended to refute the point.

The use of "Yeah" at the beginning clearly indicates you're challenging Hyz's point, and the lack of a qualifier like "At least some aren't" or the like indicates that you intended to blanket it to the entire group.

Point to Hyz.

Continue!

*munches popcorn*

Crusher Bob

Feb 6 2007, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE (Thanee)

C'mon, you don't really want to tell us that it's not like that, huh? :D :rotfl:

Bye
Thanee

Or when you are coming back home to de ole family farm one night and one of your cousins comes out too see who it is. After a short, 'hoywa doing?' you point out that he appears to have wandered out of the house to see who was coming up the driveway without a weapon and he blushes in embarrassment.

Grinder

Feb 6 2007, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE (lorechaser)

I never wanted to judge a whole group by the action of a handful of its members - all I wanted to do was to give an example how some of them might think and act, with a story that I can confirm as true.[/QUOTE]

I think responding to a post that said HA's were nice and easy going with "Yeah, like these people who did bad things" was pretty much intended to refute the point.

The use of "Yeah" at the beginning clearly indicates you're challenging Hyz's point, and the lack of a qualifier like "At least some aren't" or the like indicates that you intended to blanket it to the entire group.

All I wanted to do was to gieve an example how the mindset of (some) HA's is and that the bad reputation the group as a whole has is caused by actions like the one I mentioned.

Maybe my choice of words wasn't the best, but I never intended to refute hyzmarca's opinion as completly ridicolous - and I'm a non-native english speaker, what makes it hard for me to find the "right" wordings sometimes.

lorechaser

Feb 6 2007, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE (Grinder)

All I wanted to do was to gieve an example how the mindset of (some) HA's is and that the bad reputation the group as a whole has is caused by actions like the one I mentioned.

Maybe my choice of words wasn't the best, but I never intended to refute hyzmarca's opinion as completly ridicolous - and I'm a non-native english speaker, what makes it hard for me to find the "right" wordings sometimes.

Hmmm.

Mitigating circumstances, half point credit.

There are absolutely some horrible HA's out there. And there are some horrible bikers who aren't HA's out there as well.

It's one of those really annoying issues generally. You go around trying to convince people that bikers, in general, aren't really bad people. Except that sometimes, they really really are, which can make it hard to argue convincingly. Especially when there is no easy way to distinguish between those that are and those that aren't.

Course, I'm more angry at the schmoes that pull the "I've got no helmet, no shoes, no jacket and I'm weaving in between cars" than anything else.

Ravor View Member Profile	Feb 6 2007, 04:13 PM Post #35
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Grinder

Feb 6 2007, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE (lorechaser @ Feb 6 2007, 04:24 PM)

Mitigating circumstances, half point credit.

:)

QUOTE (lorechaser @ Feb 6 2007, 04:24 PM)

There are absolutely some horrible HA's out there. And there are some horrible bikers who aren't HA's out there as well.

It's one of those really annoying issues generally. You go around trying to convince people that bikers, in general, aren't really bad people. Except that sometimes, they really really are, which can make it hard to argue convincingly. Especially when there is no easy way to distinguish between those that are and those that aren't.

The german government made no distinction with the HA's: after their war with the Bandidos in Scandinavia during the mid-90s and a handful of lawsuits against several HA's-chapters (drug trade, prositution, assault, illegal weapons...) the HA's are forbidden in germany.

Doesn't stop the bikers, they just opened up again under new names or "convinces" existing MCs to accept them as members.

lorechaser

Feb 6 2007, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE (Grinder)

prositution, assault, illegal weapons...) the HA's are forbidden in germany.

Personally, I'd prefer them to be easily identifiable. Better the enemy you know, than the one you don't....

It's not like the people will leave - they'll just hide themselves now, rather than being obvious.

Aristotle View Member Profile	Feb 6 2007, 06:22 PM Post #38
Slacker Extraordinaire Group: Retired Admins Posts: 337 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ashburn, VA Member No.: 997	"RL" Threads are often on the razor's edge pretty much from the first post. That said, there is some great information in this thread for those who would like to use real life info about biking clubs or gangs in their role playing games. Keep posting along those lines and your golden. :) I'm told I have extended family in the Hell's Angels, although I've never met them. I've got family that I've met in the Pagans club. A rough and tumble bunch that I wouldn't go getting drunk with, but nice enough to talk to briefly. I don't have any personal insight into the inner workings of their organizations, but I'll certainly be mining this thread for ideas.

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Feb 6 2007, 07:53 PM

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This can show that gangs are not just mindless thugs. Some might be. Others might be linked to Corps. Some might be really organized.

QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Feb 3 2007, 05:51 PM)

Kuby is really cool. I've been on air on his show twice. His on air partner, Curtis Sliwa usually referes to me as a leftist freaky-deaky fruit loop- ironic if you know me.

Oh yeah.

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