Are Elves Daisy Eatters?, Are Elves really Vegans? |
Are Elves Daisy Eatters?, Are Elves really Vegans? |
Feb 6 2007, 07:52 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 29-December 06 Member No.: 10,483 |
Now looking through the different SR editions it states flat out that elves are vegitarians in SR2, and of course the term daisy eater is a pretty common insult against elves. However has anyone ever given a REASON elves are the meta-type that can't eat meat? I mean they don't vary that much from humans, and really we aren't exactly well designed to be grazers. Though I realize this may be a moot point with how much Soy the average drone eats in 2070.
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Feb 6 2007, 07:54 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,468 Joined: 5-December 06 From: Somewhere in the Flooding, CalFree Member No.: 10,215 |
Elves can only eat veggies!? :eek:
Damn, there goes Xander, the gayest elf ever created...he only ate meat. |
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Feb 6 2007, 07:56 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,629 Joined: 14-December 06 Member No.: 10,361 |
If it states flat out that elves are vegetarians in SR2, I'm pretty damn sure it's been retconned. Seriously. It surprises me that it was actually in hard print.
Even if it was canon, I would still baulk and refuse to follow it. "...Or make some big production out of bringing some wilted salad to the cute little elf, so she won't have to spoil her lips with meat." -Roweena, rigger. I figured that contradicts sr2, although only implicitly. |
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Feb 6 2007, 07:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,510 |
Wow, you really hate vegetables, don't you? ;) |
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Feb 6 2007, 08:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 29-December 06 Member No.: 10,483 |
Well I have nothing against it. I was just wondering if they ever give a fluff reason. I think SR4 states that most elves are vegetarians, and doesn't say they all are. So I suppose that it has most likely been at least partially retconned. However reading some of the early SR books they mention that meat typicallly isn't served in Elf heavy restaurants. Though it does make a funny mental image for all the Ancients to be sitting around with big salads, and soy burgers.
I only thought about it because I was working on an Sprawl dwelling elf with the allergy flaw to soy. Which started me wondering what exactly he would eat. |
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Feb 6 2007, 09:14 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
You can just walk out your door and pick up a good 40+ pounds of free range squatter. Of course, you learn that most free range squatter is not fit for consumption... It's all that artificial crap the greedy proles stuff their bodies with. Don't they know how bad that stuff is for you?
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Feb 6 2007, 12:25 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
I hope not; I have an elf character from Tir na N'Og that loves his meat and potatoes.
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Feb 6 2007, 12:41 PM
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Karma Police Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,358 Joined: 22-July 04 From: Gothenburg, SE Member No.: 6,505 |
The SR2 race profiles were written as something out of a biology book. The way I read it, elves could not eat meat, or were percieved as not being able to eat meat. Still, there doesn't seem to be anything else that supports that, and it would be rather strange lore-wise concidering elves strong connection with the irish (:P). I choose to see it as an early missconception that made it into some biology books in the early days of the awakening.
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Feb 6 2007, 12:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
The race descriptions in SR2 were presented as ingame texts written by some biologists known for exaggerations and generalizations.
(Quick translation of mine - I only have the German SR2.) If you take the eating habits as fact you must also accept that most elves have long hair, live in houses made of living plants (unless in cities) and are nocturnal... In the SR3 race description (again ingame) the author actually complains about being regarded as a vegetarian just because she's an elf. |
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Feb 6 2007, 12:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
My take on it would be that there are a higher then normal number of vegetarian elves (especially in the NAN), but this has more to do with the elves tendency to be nature lovers rather then herbivores. I think elves like all animals in the hominidae family are omnivorous.
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Feb 6 2007, 01:36 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
besides, i'm pretty sure it's dandelion-eaters.
honestly, who eats daisies? :D |
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Feb 6 2007, 03:12 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
From what I remember, there might have been a mention of elves having soem difficulty digesting meat, but that was it.
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Feb 6 2007, 03:56 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
So the new munchkin tactic will be to take:
Allergy (Severe, Beef) Allergy (Severe, Pork) Allergy (Severe, Lamb) Allergy (Severe, Chicken) |
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Feb 6 2007, 04:02 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
I remember a quote going something like "since most burgers are actually made from soy, a lot of elves dont realise they cant eat meat".. I have no idea what book that came from though.
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Feb 6 2007, 04:13 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,009 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Paris, France Member No.: 9,466 |
Not a book. It was on Dumpshock IIRC.
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Feb 6 2007, 04:15 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Talk about Uncommon substances! :) |
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Feb 6 2007, 04:16 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Every heterosexual male and most lesbians, if given the opportunity. Which is why elves aren't daisy eaters unless they are lesbians. Otherwise, dandelion eater is correct. |
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Feb 6 2007, 04:26 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
Yea, put up a picture that's not 25 years old . . . |
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Feb 6 2007, 04:32 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Why when there is SpikeTV to remember that special point in time? 8) |
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Feb 6 2007, 05:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 588 Joined: 27-February 06 Member No.: 8,316 |
one of the characters that runs in my campaign has an allergy to meat. This works really well when the meet :rotfl: is at a bar b que, one of my absolute favorite places for meeting Johnson. As the evil GM that I am, I ruled that even the smell of it tended to nauseate her.
As to the question of whether or not elves are veg, I've always played them that way. From a RL biological/ physiological point of view it can easily make sense as a mild allergy. Just like Black people have a much higher tendency towards Lactose intolerence, the same could be theorized for elves. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that they don't age. After all, statistically, vegeterians and vegans live longer and healthier lives than meat eaters. (BTW I'm not a vegetarian, I've just read a fair bit on it and practice medicine.) |
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Feb 6 2007, 05:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 775 Joined: 31-March 05 From: florida Member No.: 7,273 |
to the OP's question i go once more to the quote file:
Seriously, what was anyone thinking that elves had to be veg heads, my elf is almost an obligate carnivore, (the apartment is a dump in one of the worst parts of town, but he eats REAL food with a middle lifestyle) |
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Feb 6 2007, 06:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 27-January 06 Member No.: 8,205 |
In the novels elves eat meat...
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Feb 6 2007, 09:46 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...KK4.3 has a mild allergy to all meat, which also includes poultry, fish and various meat byproducts (such as fat & juices that would find their way into most foods as flavouring agents). Even the smell of meat cooking is enough to affect her. This has come into play a number times now. For example, during a stakeout, one of the team members once brought her back some McHughes & she damn near tossed her cookies. On another mission we had a couple meets at a rib joint (that served real ribs). While there she suffered the negative modifier to all her skill tests and couldn't wait to get back out to the car. |
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Feb 6 2007, 10:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 21-December 06 Member No.: 10,416 |
It may have started out that way. As some have suggested though, that may have been a generality. Some elves probably were vegans because it went with the fantasy view of elves (odd that since D&D elves were omnivores and saw hunting as good sport and training for war). It also could be part of that "elves as elite of metahumanity" thing and vegetarianism is more PC than eating meat, in some circles anyway.
None of the elves I have played bothered with that. Most of my mage were more manavores in that they often used the various food replacement spells whenever possible. |
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Feb 6 2007, 11:11 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...in the old Seattle Sourcebook the listings for restaurants catering to elves also made mention of seafood being featured on the menu.
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