 Right-angle shooting, Wanna zap at an angle? Read on... |
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 Oct 30 2003, 03:32 PM
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916  |
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/10/29/l...n.ap/index.html
Of course, it was developed by the Israelies. Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the weapon in question. -Siege |
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Oct 30 2003, 03:49 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
The sad thing about it is that it really is a PISTOL, connected to a videocamera and a stock on a hinge. Not exactly hi-tech. Calling it a "rifle" is exaggeration since the damn thing really has an actual pistol mounted on it, albeit with an elongated barrel.
Maybe the point is that in case the video camera is busted, you can easily pop the pistol out of the chassis and fire it alone. |
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Oct 30 2003, 03:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 348 Joined: 20-June 03 Member No.: 4,782 |
Next thing you know, terrorists will infiltrate the media. Scary.
"Let me try to get a better angle for this shot." Say cheese. |
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Oct 30 2003, 04:03 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
The gun-in-a-camera trick has been around for a long time.
~J |
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Oct 30 2003, 04:07 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
I was thinking of a fun thing to do as a character who's mainly combat-oriented.
Put a camera on his gun with some good ultrasound/infrared/etc., smartlink it, then connect the camera to his eyes. Give him some good eyes to be able to place the camera image over his own. There goes your +TN for firing blindly! ;p |
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Oct 30 2003, 05:42 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
I wonder how iffy the recoil would be on a gun that fired at 90 degrees to the angle you're holding it at?
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Oct 30 2003, 05:44 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Just aiming that thing is going to take a hell of a lot of practice.
As Req pointed out, the recoil issues are interesting since it's technically a pistol -- never trust the media to get it right when discussing weapons. I'm also curious as to the caliber. -Siege |
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Oct 30 2003, 05:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 24-September 03 From: Albany, OR Member No.: 5,643 |
/shudders Picture the applications as applied to bigger weapons... Duuuuude! It works like this, man. You aim the cannon around the corner, right.. and then watch the video camera... Like this... See? Ouch. |
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Oct 30 2003, 06:05 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I'm sure some gun-freak (I mean more gun-freak than me) can tell us exactly what pistol that is. I think it's a safe bet it's either 9mmP, .40S&W or .45ACP. I bet the recoil will be weird, and play merry hell with your aim, but it shouldn't be too hard on you physically since it's basically a heavy, stocked pistol.
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Oct 30 2003, 06:08 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Basically the entire firing mechanism would have to be forward of the "elbow-joint" because once the bullet has been fired, getting it to hang a 90 degree isn't likely.
Which means the barring some form of recoil compensation (which is going to add extra weight) to the front end of the barrel, the entire recoil will running parallel to your body, not directly against it. Oy. -Siege |
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Oct 30 2003, 06:15 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ireland Member No.: 912 |
Not sure about the gun in the link but there are a few other pics floating around the web with Glock 19s and 21s
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Oct 30 2003, 06:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 430 Joined: 28-May 02 Member No.: 2,784 |
My other thought was that if it's a pistol, then you're not quite as far away as I'd prefer to be when having to lay down, stabilize, and line up some weird shot-by-video.
What would be cooler would be to mount the gun/camera around the corner, and have it display a little screen on your side with what the camera sees. Then use a false gun on your side with inertial sensors to shoot at the images on the screen like a video game -- the real gun tracks the movements of your fake gun 1:1. Now you're in a position to aim intuitively and respond rapidly to a moving target. Now hook the whole thing up to a wireless network so you can deploy your little corner shooter and then go back to the armored van and work it from there. :) --K |
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Oct 30 2003, 06:31 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
And then you run out of ammo. No drop-shooting to reload for you this time!
Or just customize it with a huge clip and give it a selectable clip option... I mean, I managed to make a Sniper Rifle which had two clips of 50. One for APDS, one for Explosive! Troll with the armor rating of an APC? Mmk... *switch to APDS* Vampire? No problem! *switch to Explosive* Of course, getting your hands on the APDS is a different story entirely... |
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Oct 30 2003, 06:43 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Acid. Much nastier and easier to come up with.
-Siege |
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Oct 30 2003, 09:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-November 02 Member No.: 3,660 |
From what I have been reading it is a modded Glock 17 9mm. I would also like to know when Flordia became part of Isreal ? |
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Oct 30 2003, 10:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 654 |
A curved barrel like that isn't anything new, the Germans were using one during the war. It is discribed as a US-Israeli company, "Corner Shot Holdings", anyone want to join me in incoperating "Bank Shot Holdings"? We can use the laser in the opening part of the article to melt bank vaults.
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Oct 30 2003, 11:14 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
I thought the laser was far more interesting. It's good to see they are finally getting that bad-boy back in service. It shot down a drone at 20,000 feet waaay back in '96!
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Oct 31 2003, 12:25 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Er, the article says the gun consists of two parts, and they say there that its a pistol. They did get their facts right.
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Oct 31 2003, 12:28 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
In a WW1 museum, I saw a periscope/angled rifle that was designed to be fired from the safety of a trench. It had two 90 degree angles, designed to angle over the edge of a trench.
Interesting but strangely practical, given the fondness of rushing machinegun nests hoping they ran out of ammo... -Siege |
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Oct 31 2003, 12:52 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 488 Joined: 4-August 03 From: Amidst the ruins of Silicon Valley. Member No.: 5,242 |
That's actually a bit misleading. Check out this page, and do a search for "MIRACL" (yes, that's not a typo). The only thing they proved back in 1996 was that a laser could destroy a Katyusha rocket through transmitted energy -- by flying one into the path of the beam. The lack that the system had then, and I believe still has, is in tracking targets well enough to intercept them in midair. |
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Oct 31 2003, 03:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 596 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,112 |
I thought it looked like a glock. Useless, useless guns.
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Oct 31 2003, 03:05 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Those are fighting words if I ever I heard them. Not that I'm a Glock fan by any means, but the line does have its fans. -Siege |
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Oct 31 2003, 03:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 280 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Singapore Member No.: 4,487 |
Glocks are beautiful! :D
I love 'em! All plastic! Can't pick 'em up on metal detectors! ... Hehehe, okay, okay, just yanking your chains. :D |
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Oct 31 2003, 04:14 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
The one in the picture in the link is not a 17. It's a subcompact (you can tell by the length of the slide/barrel). Most likely a 26 (9mm) or 27 (.40 S&W). The whole thing looks pretty silly, if you ask me.
According to floridajewish.com, the Jewish population in Florida jumped from about 25,000 in 1940 to over 175,000 in 1960. Now "South Florida has the largest concentration of Jews outside of Israel." So I guess the answer to your rhetorical question is shortly after World War II, or about the same time Israel was founded. (Makes sense, eh?) :D
That must be why they've outsold just about every other pistol on the planet at this point. The Glock is not my favorite pistol either, but calling it "useless" is pushing it just a tad. Not the kind of shit you're likely to talk when some belligerent has one pointed at, near, or around you. Namely one of the millions of cops in the world that carry them. |
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Oct 31 2003, 03:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
I'd like to add something on this seeing as how i'm a G17 owner.
I HATE my G17. I'm a lefty and glock is a right hander's gun, and I don't like double action triggers. However, on the plus side i have no fear that when and if i ever need it, it will ALWAYS work. PERIOD. I originally wanted a USP, a 1911 or a P99 with a single action trigger setup. Unfortunately money kept me from getting one. i'll get down off my soap box now BTW has anyone seen the new G37? It was on gunbroker.com. Apparently its in 45 GAP. Not 45 ACP. Any idea what a 45 GAP round looks like? /edit http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem....p?Item=13204530 |
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