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Big Crow
post Feb 14 2007, 05:16 PM
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I haven't been around here since about the time SR4 came out. I was dusting off my copy, and having committed myself to learning the new system, I have a quick and probably silly question.
Full Defense. What if you do not have the Dodge skill? Can you default to Dodge in that situation? I need an example please.
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post Feb 14 2007, 05:23 PM
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Full Defense

Reaction + Dodge + Dodge
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Reaction + melee combat skill + Dodge

I am assuming you are asking about a situation where the PC does not have Dodge Skill so the question is;

Reaction + Dodge(Reaction -1) + Dodge(Reaction -1) allowed?

Since Dodge is a defaultable skill, actually, I think you can.
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post Feb 14 2007, 05:31 PM
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That was what I came up with, but...
If you have a decent Agility, Dodge becomes unessecary. (Agilty 5 in a gunfight gets you Reaction + (Agility-1)? Why buy Dodge unless you are going to exceed 4? I think I am missing something important.
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post Feb 14 2007, 05:39 PM
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Full dodge against firearms is reaction + dodge. If you don't have dodge, it's just reaction.

(Gymnastics works as well).
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post Feb 14 2007, 05:41 PM
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It's a bit more complex than that:

Ranged:
Reaction + dodge
Reaction + gymnastics

Close combat:
Reaction + dodge + close combat skill
Reaction + close combat skill x2

I'd assume that if you have no dodge, gymnastics, or close combat skills you actively defend with only your reaction (note that aborting to a reactive defense refreshes your dodging pool (iirc) so there might still be a reason to go on active defense even if you don't have a defensive skill.
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post Feb 14 2007, 05:43 PM
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So for some reason, you cannot Default to a pretty basic skill (Dodge-Moving out of the Way) when you would actually need to? That seems counter-intuitive to the defaulting rules.
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post Feb 14 2007, 05:46 PM
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For some strange reason (that I don't know) you use your reaction if you don't have dodge instead of reaction-1 like normal defaulting.
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post Feb 14 2007, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE (Butterblume)
For some strange reason (that I don't know) you use your reaction if you don't have dodge instead of reaction-1 like normal defaulting.

Okay, that makes a little more sense. Your defense is basically a Dodge test, and, lacking Dodge, you default at the Attribut rather than Attribute -1. Then for the full Defense, you would only recieve a bonus if you have the Dodge or Gymnastics skill? Okay, I think I can understand that.
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post Feb 14 2007, 07:39 PM
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Seems to be the way for ranged combat ;).
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post Feb 15 2007, 12:06 AM
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Whoops, had it backwards for full defense in close combat; it's reaction + dodge x2 or reaction + close combat skill + dodge
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