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toturi
post Feb 22 2007, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (SCARed @ Feb 22 2007, 10:53 PM)
@toturi: did you ever think of the Remington or the Roomsweeper? they both are given stats for the weapon using normal ammo and flechette ammo. beside the fact, that both weapons perform even worse with flechette ammo than they should (the difference for the AP is 3, not 2 as it was for flechette before the errata), they explicitly haven given stats. do you leave those as they are? or do you change them (stats with flechette), because you know the ammo has changed?

if you leave them, there is no more to discuss. we won't come to a point on this topic.

if you change them, why dou you persist on the stats of the Slivergun? it would be excactly the same procedure.

just one last try!

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The only weapon that has flechette factored in and does not have similar wording is the Remington 990, that weapon damage code may be changed due to the lack of a similar clause.


The difference between the Remington, the Roomsweeper and the other 2 - Mossberg and AVS are these clauses: "already factored in to the Damage Code" and "already included in the weapon stats".

I apologise for not including the Roomsweeper in my above quote but yes, the Remington and Roomsweeper flechette damage can be shown to be directly derived from the the base(slug) and the un-errataed flechette. I will accept both errataed or unerrata-ed damage values, because I feel both arguments are equally valid (50/50, call it). Not so for the Mossberg or the AVS. There are no "base" weapons for comparison.
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post Feb 23 2007, 09:25 AM
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ok, i'm outa here!

so the Roomsweeper and the Remington may be changed. well, even it was not especially noted, the base damage for these weapons did not change. so why should the "base" damage for the AVS? there are the same chances of 50/50 as they are for the Roomsweeper.
if zero plus x gives you a sum of two, nobody would doubt, that x is 2. and also nobody would doubt, that the sum would be +5 if x was changed to five, would anyone?
same goes for the AVS, if similar game mechanics for ALL weapons were assumed, eh?
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post Feb 23 2007, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE (SCARed @ Feb 23 2007, 05:25 PM)
ok, i'm outa here!

so the Roomsweeper and the Remington may be changed. well, even it was not especially noted, the base damage for these weapons did not change. so why should the "base" damage for the AVS? there are the same chances of 50/50 as they are for the Roomsweeper.
if zero plus x gives you a sum of two, nobody would doubt, that x is 2. and also nobody would doubt, that the sum would be +5 if x was changed to five, would anyone?
same goes for the AVS, if similar game mechanics for ALL weapons were assumed, eh?

Which we cannot assume given the exclusion clause that the Mossberg and AVS have. The Roomsweeper and Remington both have 2 points on the graph so to speak. The AVS and the Mossberg, in addition to the exclusion clause, do not.

And... goodbye.
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post Feb 23 2007, 11:07 AM
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toturi... you are overthinking this by several degrees. ;)

They just forgot to list the weapons as well (thinking most would realize, that the weapon codes have to change appropriately as well). Hopefully, they will correct this with the next errata update, so you can play with the more reasonable rules (IMHO, of course), too. :)

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post Feb 23 2007, 11:10 AM
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toturi... you are overthinking this by several degrees. ;)

They just forgot to list the weapons as well (thinking most would realize, that the weapon codes have to change appropriately as well). Hopefully, they will correct this with the next errata update, so you can play with the more reasonable rules (IMHO, of course), too. :)

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That is an assumption. Have they come out and stated that they simply forgot to list the weapons? All I am doing is taking the errata and pasting over the relevant sections in the book with the errata - that is what the errata does right? All other parts of the book remains unchanged. If someone can show me, perhaps the latest printing or PDF version that has the weapons changed, I'd certainly accept it.
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post Feb 23 2007, 08:13 PM
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Now there is an interesting point and suggestion, toturi. Is the latest printing or PDF out yet? I thought it was coming out with the next batch of books.
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post Feb 24 2007, 12:58 AM
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Not so for the Mossberg or the AVS. There are no "base" weapons for comparison.

except that under the section regarding choke and spread it specifically states what the damage of a weapon is going to be for a shotgun using flechette ammo.
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