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post Mar 7 2007, 03:00 PM
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I think that would be awesome. I'd never considered it, but in a world where security forces need to be able to quickly choose between subduing and killing a target, an underbarrel mounted taser would certainly be safer to try and use than switching mags from standard to gel rounds.
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post Mar 7 2007, 03:51 PM
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You've just highlighted a more pervasive bastardization of the English language. "They" is a plural pronoun, not singular neuter


And this is one of most pervasive urban myths around.

Chaucer, Shakespeare, William Thackeray, Jane austen and Mark Twain all used they and them as singular neuter pronouns.
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post Mar 7 2007, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE (nezumi)
I think that would be awesome. I'd never considered it, but in a world where security forces need to be able to quickly choose between subduing and killing a target, an underbarrel mounted taser would certainly be safer to try and use than switching mags from standard to gel rounds.

My thinking exactly!

By the way, does anyone else think allowing Stick-N-Shock rounds in anything smaller than a shotgun is absurd? I mean most of the projectiles used by firearms are tiny, and the amount of juice such a device could deliver (assuming it even survived firing intact) would be miniscule to the point of futillity.
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post Mar 7 2007, 04:22 PM
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You've just highlighted a more pervasive bastardization of the English language. "They" is a plural pronoun, not singular neuter


And this is one of most pervasive urban myths around.

Chaucer, Shakespeare, William Thackeray, Jane austen and Mark Twain all used they and them as singular neuter pronouns.

Chaucer did not speak modern English, and his writings are considered grammatically incorrect twelve ways to tomorrow by our current standard. Shakespeare regularly made up words when he couldn't find one he liked. William Thackeray I'm not familiar with and I never recollect Jane Austen using that. Mark Twain, while skilled, relied heavily on backwaters, colloquial speech in his writing, and I wouldn't recommend his work as an English primer.

It isn't an urban myth because the majority of organizations whose sole purpose is to determine what the rules of use are have said that 'they' is always plural. Break open your MLA book if you don't agree.
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post Mar 7 2007, 05:16 PM
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Very strange thread jack ya got there. Back to topic... before 'they' get unruly :D
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post Mar 7 2007, 06:28 PM
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Break open your MLA book if you don't agree.


The MLA is an american organisation and therefore not to be trusted when it comes to usage of the English language.

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the majority of organizations whose sole purpose is to determine what the rules of use are have said that 'they' is always plural.


There are no organisations that have the right to determine the usage of English. English is a colloquial language, it's meaning determined by use rather than by committee.

Them and they have been used, colloquially, as singular pronouns for almost as long as English has existed, longer than the USA has existed and far longer than the USA has attempted to codify it.
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post Mar 7 2007, 06:43 PM
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Again, wrong topic
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post Mar 7 2007, 06:49 PM
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To put us back on topic, I am also working up some detailed rules for door breaching by a variety of means. This will include the construction of 'doorbuster' charges, using breaching loads from a shotgun, and even some low-tech stuff like mauls and hammers.

As of right now the only tool of this sort we have rules on is a chisel, so I'm totally open to suggestions on how to work this!
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post Mar 7 2007, 07:03 PM
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using breaching loads from a shotgun,

That would be cool
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post Mar 7 2007, 07:17 PM
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That would be cool

Honestly Im surprised more games don't include stuff like this. I lucked out while I was in the Marines and got to go through some CQB training (this was well more advanced than the standard MOUT course) and I can honestly say the better part of half of our instruction time was on dealing with doors, windows, and other portals.
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post Mar 7 2007, 08:52 PM
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And those nifty charges that blow through walls to make your own doors?
(I love watching Future Weapons) :cyber:
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post Mar 7 2007, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0)
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using breaching loads from a shotgun,

That would be cool

...fired from a Gong 10 Gauge Whippet by a Troll Sammie. Even cooler
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post Mar 7 2007, 09:55 PM
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Now we just need translated rules for the "super machine guns" from Fields of Fire I think? Probably reprinted in Cannon Companion. You know, the ones that fire short bursts of 6 rounds? Damn I wish I had my books right now.
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post Mar 8 2007, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (X-Kalibur)
Now we just need translated rules for the "super machine guns" from Fields of Fire I think? Probably reprinted in Cannon Companion. You know, the ones that fire short bursts of 6 rounds? Damn I wish I had my books right now.

This is one thing that always bugged me about the RAW of Shadowrun, and the only game I've ever seen get it anywhere near right was CP2020.

At the same time though, I understand the need for a simplified system for speed-of-play purposes.

Rate of fire is a huge aspect of any weapon, including semi-automatics! Great example, IRL I can rip off 5 aimed shots with my Beretta 92 in the time it takes me to put 3 down range with my Baby Eagle in .45acp.

Unfortunately, theres just not a good way to deal with this for speed-of-play purposes, short of building some software to run the numbers for you.

Im hoping to see the return of supermachineguns as well, and will probobly update the MAC-11 on my site to reflect its status as a very high rate of fire weapon if they are included in Arsenal.
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