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 Mar 7 2007, 03:56 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313  |
Nanite cutters introduced in Arc shutdown.....realize not ported over to sr4 yet but was wondering if houseruled stats could be used in narcro jet weapon or even flechette gernade. Not remembering if injection only or exactly how they worked..cant find copy of book ;(
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Mar 7 2007, 08:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 811 Joined: 30-January 07 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 10,845 |
Read Man & Machine you inhuman Renraku sucking sadist.
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Mar 7 2007, 09:01 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Well they were via injection with the bumblebees. I'm not sure if DMSO works in the same way with nanites as with chemicals. If it does, you could go that route for contact type.
I'd say the grenade wouldn't work as well, because you wouldn't get enough of them in the target area. Narcojet ony if DMSO would work with it. Maybe a heavy capsule round that's designed to penetrate and disintegrate? |
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Mar 8 2007, 02:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 668 Joined: 4-September 06 Member No.: 9,304 |
Why narcojet with DMSO?
Narcojet is injected with a dart gun, normally, isn't? If that is the case, then the cutters could be injected that way. But nannite cutters is not something that I want to introduce to my universe. Too much the weapon of mass destruction, and can easily take out chars. Need a job done, have the runners food/drinks doctored with dormant cutters. They attach to the stomach wall for X hours or until activated. Once activated, kill the char. No loose ends from the corps point of vue, for those very sensitive missions. |
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Mar 8 2007, 02:46 AM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
Something like:
Inhalation/Injection Vector Power 6P/8P Toxin Filters do not reduce the power of Cutters though a respirator will assist against inhalation vectors. Cutter nanites can be programmed to activate immediately upon entry into an organic host or be delayed on a specific timer, remote command etc. External armor will not assist in resisting damage though bone lacing and similar implants will continue to give their bonus. |
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Mar 8 2007, 05:15 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Do have a question though. Why? Isn't that a bit of expensive where a more common poison, or even a hunk of lead will do?
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Mar 8 2007, 05:31 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 23-January 07 From: Seattle, USA Member No.: 10,749 |
Poison works well if you just want to kill someone, but this works alot like a databomb that you don't need to implant, you can use it to "convince" someone to work for you.
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Mar 8 2007, 06:46 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
It is rather pointless I do have to say. The cutters are high on "awesome" factor, but they are in no way worth anything from the standpoint of... any standpoint I'm aware of.
The one advantage that the nanite cutters have is that they are a two-part attack protocol: the nanites are injected, and then they supposedly activate given a wireless signal - thus introducing something that can be quickly introduced into a resisting victim that will in turn allow you to kill them remotely at any future date. That being said, there are things that are way more effective than that. Hell, you could just have a bee drone that happened to be full of explosives that burrowed into a victim's spinal chord and went off as a cortex bomb later on. Or you could have capsule nanites that happened to be full of any nof a number of completely lethal catalytic neurotoxins. There's just no possibility of any powered device - no matter how small and efficient - ever matching the cost/effectiveness ratio of plain old Botulinum Toxin (lethal dose = .07 mg), let alone something crazy exotic like enterotoxin B (lethal dose = .0014 mg). -Frank |
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Mar 8 2007, 06:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: 24-January 07 Member No.: 10,756 |
It's never really that hard to do harm to another human being. We're fairly delicate creatures, when it comes down to it.
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Mar 8 2007, 08:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 870 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Athens Ga Member No.: 9,517 |
I would say that this would be in the realm of psychological warfare. You allow people to thing you have this stuff. Maybe let some arc shut down footage mix with some lab footage. Then you capture someone and inject them with something that burns a bit. Then tell them that they have cutters inside of them. Maybe show them a fake readout or something. Then give them a time limit and wait for the information to come spilling out.
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Mar 8 2007, 02:01 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Right. With a cortex bomb, the worst possible result is that you have your head blown off. With nanite cutters, the worst possible result is that your brain is the last thing to go. A cortex bomb powerful enough to kill reliably is a quick and painless thing and it isn't too unpleasant in abstract if one believes in an afterlife.
Nanite cutters just seem like the most horrific possible way to die. There are things more horrific, cure, but they have a much greater psychological impact than any of them. |
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Mar 8 2007, 03:47 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
I don't know, personally I think you'd get the same result by slowly lowering them in a vat of acid/chemical waste that is just strong enough to slowly burn/eat them.
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Mar 8 2007, 06:31 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
ok, to actually answer your question of how they work:
being in refernce to the actual sting from the bumblebee, which is assumed to hit, but being resisted by body and half impact armor.
Hope that helps |
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Mar 10 2007, 03:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 811 Joined: 30-January 07 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 10,845 |
Anyone here who actually likes to use cutters should really read the pacifist thread
Pacifism in the Shadows No one with any humanity would actually use these on another living human, much less enjoy watching another human die from all the blood in their body boiling. Instant karma loss if you ask me. |
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Mar 10 2007, 03:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 870 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Athens Ga Member No.: 9,517 |
How about using a decompression tank to force nitrogen narcosis? I seem to remember clark doing that in Without Remorse by Tom Clancy. Nasty stuff and much lower tech.
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Mar 10 2007, 05:32 AM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
christ, what the hell happened to just shooting people?
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Mar 10 2007, 05:44 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Not using it and not enjoying it are entirely different things. There are reasons to sue something like this. Example: assassin trying to take out a target, can't get in a firearm, but can sneak in a mini drone. But the cutters in, and there's no Resist Toxin spell gonna save 'em. That doesn't mean the person enjoys using it. Just a means to an end, just like a gun. No reason to lose kamra for it. UNless you decide before hand that your particular game is going to run a bit higher up on the moral values scale. but then... why shadowrun? |
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Mar 10 2007, 05:57 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 23-January 07 From: Seattle, USA Member No.: 10,749 |
I agree, nanite cutters would be horribly in humaine, but come on, this is cyberpunk; check your humanity at the door.
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Mar 10 2007, 06:54 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
A good murder is like a good orgasm. You have to build up to it. Just shooting someone is like a 5-second handjob. Yeah, the mission is accomplished, but both you and your partner are going to be disappointed by it. If you are patient and make things last just long enough, you will receive immense satisfaction and your partner will be able to enjoy the sweet release. |
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Mar 10 2007, 07:14 AM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Umm, nathanross, you do realize that Karma in Shadowrun isn't about being 'good' right? If anything it is about reaching goals and getting the job done. Remember that at you are a horrible human being who shoots people in the face for money who perhaps in the best of times is able to rise above not only himself but the entire world which has also decended into the very depths of the worse aspects of the meta-human soul.
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Mar 10 2007, 07:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 281 Joined: 9-September 06 Member No.: 9,346 |
Well. At the end of the day, it's just about paying rent. :) |
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Mar 10 2007, 07:33 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
well that isn't necessarily true. There was that nifty little mechanic for 'bad karma' in third edition that you could give to players for being fucked up a-holes if you so chose. Another one of those optional rules you want to let the players know about before hand. Basically it's karma for the opposition.
Me, I love using bad karma, but I pretty much only gave it out when a player did something bad to one of my books. :S |
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Mar 10 2007, 07:33 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 23-January 07 From: Seattle, USA Member No.: 10,749 |
I'm not sure whats worse, the fact that you are relating murder to orgasms, or the fact that it makes sense. |
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Mar 10 2007, 07:33 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
or the fact that I'd considered putting part of that in to my sig...
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Mar 10 2007, 08:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 811 Joined: 30-January 07 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 10,845 |
I do understand that most of the time karma is used as experience points, but the fact that it is NOT CALLED experience points is something of a hint. Sure, most GMs let their sammy go around slicing people up for the fun of it, but I believe this looses an entire aspect of the game and roleplaying. Anyone amateur can kill some one. Hell I could go down to Walmart, pick up a shotgun, case of shells and presume to shoot the first person I see, but I dont. Millions of people in America dont. Sure, you can say that they are scared of the law and its repercussions, but Im sure quite a few of them also realize that the person behind the counter is another human being with a family and friends who love and care for them. When you kill that person you are killing a part of all the people's lives who care for them or even know them. When you kill someone you should realize that, and it should NOT be easy. Next time you run, try loading your gun with gel rounds, see how it feels. See if it makes your run any less fun. Afterall, that is why we all play this game, because it's fun. |
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