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post Mar 9 2007, 03:53 AM
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I was just wondering, is there any reason why a Dragon couldn't be a Technomancer?
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post Mar 9 2007, 04:00 AM
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Dragons need magic, technomancers can't have magic?
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post Mar 9 2007, 04:12 AM
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Guess we'll see what happens with Eliohann. He was in the system during the crash, like so many other people that became technmancers. That may settle the arguement about whether or not technomancers/otaku are magical. Dragon loses it's magical ability but becomes a technomancer. hmmm...
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post Mar 9 2007, 04:22 AM
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Right, I just assumed technomancers were magical, it hadn't even occured to me that they might not be. :P
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post Mar 9 2007, 04:27 AM
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The fact that it is possible (though difficult) to assense someone as a technomancer is huge evidence that a technomancer is in fact magical, but it's not proof.

Then again, no body even agrees on what magic is, so you think they'll be able to agree on technomancers, which haven't been around nearly as long?
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post Mar 9 2007, 05:12 AM
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Except of course for the fact that before you can tell if someone is a Technomancer or not you have also figured out...

(1) Whether the target is Mundane or Awakened, healthy or ill, and general emotional state.

(2) Whether and where any implanted basic cyberware is.

(3) Able to compare whether your Essense & Magic are higher, lower, or equal to theirs.

(4) Whether and where any implanted basic Bioware is, the target's exact Essence & Magic, and an accurate diagnosis of any posion/sickness the target might have.

(5) Whether or not the target is a Technomancer or not.

Now the problem with Technomancers being 'Magical' is twofold, firstly, why aren't they stated as pinging as 'Awakened' along with everything else magical? Secondly, unless I've missed something in my searches of both the Core Rules and Street Magic the only way for a mage to tell if the "Awakened" meta-human is a Mage, Adept, ect is to wait until their magical abilities manifest, because reading their aura will never tell you for sure. But yet, if you get enough sucesses then someone who had previsiously read as 'mundane' will instead start pinging as a 'Technomancer'?

To me at least the agrument about Technomancers = Magical doesn't add up, but I guess we'll have to wait for Emergence and see if the devs weigh in one way or the other although personally I'd say that safe money is that they'll keep silent on the issue and that they possibly might not even know themselves.
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post Mar 9 2007, 05:52 AM
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I also think they are still grappling with their newborn child. As for dragons, I pray to god that they cant be. It would be a fundamental schism in Shadowrun dogma. Magic and Resonance are mutually exclusive and dragons cannot survive without magic as it is part of their physiology (I know that's weird).

I know they love to come out with, "Hey, there is an NPC that can do this!" or "You know that thing you though was an established fact? IT WASNT!"

Some things they say I can see, but someones dies the day Dragons resonate.
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post Mar 9 2007, 06:18 AM
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Well if an established fact where to be broken, it would be a dragon who would do it.
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post Mar 9 2007, 07:26 AM
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QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0)
Guess we'll see what happens with Eliohann. He was in the system during the crash, like so many other people that became technmancers. That may settle the arguement about whether or not technomancers/otaku are magical. Dragon loses it's magical ability but becomes a technomancer. hmmm...

Where was that? I just looked over my copy of System Failure and I didn't see any reference to the jacked dragon. Could you point me?
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post Mar 9 2007, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE (TheOOB @ Mar 9 2007, 05:27 AM)
The fact that it is possible (though difficult) to assense someone as a technomancer is huge evidence that a technomancer is in fact magical, but it's not proof.


It's a rather huge counter-evidence, actually... you assense magic easily and assensing tech is hard. It's up there with deltaware. About as non-magical (in the SR astral/magic sense) as it gets.

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post Mar 9 2007, 08:07 AM
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Well the fact that the players, third party observers, can't agree on what technomancers are doesn't give much hope for the poor people of the sixth world figuring it out.
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post Mar 9 2007, 12:06 PM
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Why not?

They are actually living it, not trying to understand it with outdated tech, knowledge and experiences.

Plus, I think a lot more will be known once Emergence comes out.
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post Mar 9 2007, 12:40 PM
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They are the Neo!

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post Mar 9 2007, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE (Thanee)
They are the Neo!

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Shit. Neo is a punk who read Virtual Realities 1.0 and the complete run of The Invisibles.
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post Mar 9 2007, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE (Cynic project)
Dragons need magic, technomancers can't have magic?

Just because a PC cannot both be Awakened and a Technomancer at the same time doesn't mean that an NPC cannot.
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post Mar 9 2007, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE (toturi)
QUOTE (Cynic project @ Mar 9 2007, 12:00 PM)
Dragons need magic, technomancers can't have magic?

Just because a PC cannot both be Awakened and a Technomancer at the same time doesn't mean that an NPC cannot.

You did not just say that after all that arguing about flechette ammo in Ares Viper Slivergun and the Remington 990. The rules explicitly state that you cannot be both magically active and a technomancer. They cannot even take the little magical qualities like Latent Awakening.
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post Mar 9 2007, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE (bibliophile20)
QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0 @ Mar 8 2007, 11:12 PM)
Guess we'll see what happens with Eliohann. He was in the system during the crash, like so many other people that became technmancers. That may settle the arguement about whether or not technomancers/otaku are magical. Dragon loses it's magical ability but becomes a technomancer. hmmm...

Where was that? I just looked over my copy of System Failure and I didn't see any reference to the jacked dragon. Could you point me?

There's a part about an email being sent to Celedyr about "Neurosis". Neurosis was one of the handles Eliohann used according to his entry in DoSW.

The email said that Neurosis was in the Matrix when the crash happened and was unresponsive, asking for instruction.s Celedyr replied to keep him jacked in.
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post Mar 9 2007, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (Cynic project)
Dragons need magic, technomancers can't have magic?

But equally Orks need magic to be Orks, they don't suddenly become human if the awaken to the matrix do they?

I would strip a Resonant Dragon of any power that actually requires a magic rating to use (ie most offensive stuff). They'd also lose their dual natured state.
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post Mar 9 2007, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0)
QUOTE (bibliophile20 @ Mar 9 2007, 02:26 AM)
QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0 @ Mar 8 2007, 11:12 PM)
Guess we'll see what happens with Eliohann. He was in the system during the crash, like so many other people that became technmancers. That may settle the arguement about whether or not technomancers/otaku are magical. Dragon loses it's magical ability but becomes a technomancer. hmmm...

Where was that? I just looked over my copy of System Failure and I didn't see any reference to the jacked dragon. Could you point me?

There's a part about an email being sent to Celedyr about "Neurosis". Neurosis was one of the handles Eliohann used according to his entry in DoSW.

The email said that Neurosis was in the Matrix when the crash happened and was unresponsive, asking for instruction.s Celedyr replied to keep him jacked in.

*looks* Jeeeze... and look at the section after that--it makes alot more sense now... Oh dear... this is gonna be interesting.
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post Mar 9 2007, 07:47 PM
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thanks, saves me from digging out my books for page references. I had a thread on this a while back, but mostly it was just conjecture since there's really no way to know what's up with it until they release something new.

I hate dangling plot threads, like the whole Saito thing. Hopefully both of these will be, if not wrapped, at least addressed soon. Emergence qould be cool for the Eliohann thing, if not Unwired. Hoping for something on Saito/SF in Crop Encalves, but not exactly holding my breath.
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post Mar 9 2007, 08:26 PM
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curiouser and curiouser

I hope that they don't allow dragons to go into the matrix. It is the one area where metahumanity surpasses dragons.

And, it would allow the possibility of an advantage over the horrors, when they come.
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post Mar 9 2007, 08:32 PM
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They're already in the matrix. Look at celedyr and Eliohann. Or do you mean like otaku/technomancers?
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post Mar 10 2007, 01:51 AM
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And, it would allow the possibility of an advantage over the horrors, when they come.

I always thought that the end of the 4th world was the end of the horrors... has FASA ever implied otherwise?
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post Mar 10 2007, 01:59 AM
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QUOTE (guy-jin)
QUOTE (Mistwalker @ Mar 9 2007, 03:26 PM)
And, it would allow the possibility of an advantage over the horrors, when they come.

I always thought that the end of the 4th world was the end of the horrors... has FASA ever implied otherwise?

Implied, yes.
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post Mar 10 2007, 02:26 AM
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QUOTE (Ancient History)
QUOTE (guy-jin @ Mar 10 2007, 01:51 AM)
QUOTE (Mistwalker @ Mar 9 2007, 03:26 PM)
And, it would allow the possibility of an advantage over the horrors, when they come.

I always thought that the end of the 4th world was the end of the horrors... has FASA ever implied otherwise?

Implied, yes.

if by "implied" you mean "the horrors have already started to come back, in a few very limited situations"....

then i agree.
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