Improved Invisibility, invisibility, How do they work? Options

[FriendoftheDork]

[Glyph]

He's throwing four dice and you expect to get a net success every time? Four dice will usually get you one success, sometimes two. Do they all have such low Willpowers? And never use Edge? Even the troll with a Willpower of one could get lucky and roll a success, or have the shaman get no successes (easily possible with only four dice). Keep in mind that he only gets that base four damage if he gets at least one net success - if he doesn't, they don't need to soak, but take no damage at all.

[Wasabi]

[Superbum]

[FriendoftheDork]

[ornot]

Perhaps, but he's as likely to fail his drain test as the PCs are to not get the hits required to avoid the damage, and he only has to fail a few times before he starts taking wound penalties.

[FriendoftheDork]

[ornot]

I was pretty much ignoring the troll, as he has 1 Will, and will fail more often than not. But I was assuming that most of the other PCs had stats around 3 or 4.

I also was not aware of the Shaman's stats, and mistakenly thought that sustaining penalties affected drain resistance, so I guessed he'd be rolling about 4 dice. Turns out I was wrong about drain penalties and his drain resistance stats. ah well.

[FriendoftheDork]

[Fastball]

During the battle, you could always have your wannabe mage suddenly start seeing astrally. Have him scream out and suddenly see the shaman's aura, enabling him to shout orders so all the other players can fire with the -6 blind fire penalty.

Naturally, the experience will be so traumatizing that the mage won't be able to take any action himself, other than walking and pointing.

On the other hand, it's only stun bolts, so it would be a non-lethal lesson if they couldn't find some way to locate the shaman.

[FriendoftheDork]

[ornot]

Out of curiosity, does the shaman have improved invisibility or regular invisibility? One is resisted with Will, and the other with Intuition. That might make a difference when it comes to spotting an invisible Shaman.

[FriendoftheDork]

[Fastball]

[FriendoftheDork]

[MaxHunter]

Friendofthedork, The latent awakening astral perception thing is very cool, Iam sure the "mage" is going to enjoy being able to do magic things, even if only astrally perceiving.

You should not worry about moping the players with a Magic 2, stunbolt, rat shaman. I feel you are underestimating your players resourcefulness, IMO the opposition is more than well balanced and you seem to be doing a very good job.

BTW; I do throw horrible odds at my players from time to time, just to see how they manage to survive. So far they have succeeded. the clever bastards.

(And before somebody starts evilgming me I must say everybody is loving the game and the horrible odds are not that horrible, I mean, 50 something karma and no initiate vampire mages so far... )

I am more intrigued in the actual reasons behind the gangs fighting, maybe we could think of something...

Cheers,

Max

[FriendoftheDork]

[Demon_Bob]

One of the ideas for invisibility a previous GM came up with was involved the afore mentioned, "Tricking Your Mind Not To See Me Idea" he called Non-Detection. The improved version worked on electronic devices as well. The tricky part was that the spell only worked at Successes * Force Meters.
If the character performed any offensive action, or affected the world in an obvious way, (such as opening a door, or picking something up) then the subjects capable of noticing such an act were allowed an additional resistance test with the successes gained adding to the first.
Problem is that the spell also covered hearing, sonar, and radar. Footprints and such would only be noticed area of the spell left the area in which they were made.