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 Apr 17 2007, 03:29 AM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98  |
I hate it when life leads me to ask this question (especially because the bad kind of answers are always the silent ones), but...
Is everyone still here? Did we lose anyone at Virginia Tech today? |
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Apr 17 2007, 01:35 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 16-October 03 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 5,729 |
TheOneRonin sounding off. I'll say a prayer for all of those we lost, and all of you who lost loved ones in this tragedy.
A tragedy that could have been avoided (or at least mitigated) if the university staff were allowed to carry concealed. The body count tends not to rise as quickly when there is return fire. |
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Apr 17 2007, 02:55 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
I'm on the other side from Ronin (geographically speaking, I share his comments). My thoughts and prayers go out to them, unfortunate victims in a victim rich environment.
My brother is going to a public university in the fall. I can't buy him any "offensive weapons". I'm thinking of getting him pepper spray and one of those things you use to punch out windows. Won't help him shoot back, but at least he can escape a little easier. |
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Apr 17 2007, 02:57 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Please don't post your opinion about gun laws in the US in here, one way or another. The Dawson College thread had enough of that.
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Apr 17 2007, 03:39 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...definitely a bad scene. My point is if the gunman was going to kill himself anyway, why didn't he just stand in the quad in front of everyone put the gun to his head and pull the trigger instead of taking all those people with him. Hell, even KK (in any version) isn't that stupid.
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Apr 17 2007, 03:49 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Erm? That… that makes no sense whatsoever.
~J |
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Apr 17 2007, 04:02 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...it's not supposed to...
...random violence makes no sense... |
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Apr 17 2007, 04:14 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
This wasn't random, much like most violence. What makes no sense is what you said, but I'm pretty sure you're refusing to try to understand what happened.
~J |
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Apr 17 2007, 04:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 28-July 05 Member No.: 7,526 |
I don't think it's going out on a limb here to say that the gunman wasn't fueled by the desire to take his own life. That was just part of something bigger. ie. the girlfriend angle. What he did not have was the desire to accept punishment for his actions. That makes perfect sense to me.
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Apr 17 2007, 04:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: 14-January 07 From: Zurich Orbital Member No.: 10,642 |
It's less about taking the lives of others than it is about ending your own.
Odds are he felt like a nobody, inconsequential. Now people are going to remember him as a somebody. The fact that they're going to remember him as a killer is also inconsequential. |
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Apr 17 2007, 04:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 28-July 05 Member No.: 7,526 |
um.. i'm in no way trivializing this tragedy or being an apologetic here. Just had to throw that out. But what he did was very... human. The event brings to mind the quote at the beginning of Apocalypto:
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Apr 17 2007, 04:24 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
2bit: that's entirely possible (see, for example, the decreased incidences of amok in Malaysia after the British started capturing rather than immediately killing those who went amok), but there's also the "wanted to die but also wanted to take people with him" possibility.
~J |
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Apr 17 2007, 04:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 28-July 05 Member No.: 7,526 |
yep.
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Apr 17 2007, 05:04 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...having been bombarded for most of the night by the news media I fully understand what happened. Hell, a similar (albeit one victim) incident happened at my college cafeteria while I was there for breakfast. I was three tables away when a guy walked in and unloaded a .357 into his girlfriend and walked out. The only diff is he didn't turn the gun on himself afterwards. ...you don't forget (excuse my expletive) shit like that. [edit] ...and before you ask "why the hell didn't you do anything?" witnessing something like that in RL it's a lot different than in a game. |
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Apr 17 2007, 05:19 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
With all due respect, I've seen news coverage of events like this (though I'm not watching this time), and I would say that it's an impediment to understanding.
Do you have any thoughts on why he did that? Also, do you really believe that that incident is similar to this one?
I know enough about human reactions to stressful situations to not need to ask that. ~J |
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Apr 17 2007, 05:20 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Let's not turn this into an internet superiority contest. It's a tragic event. None of us know why it happened. There's no point in getting into arguments about it, and even less point in doing so here.
Thanks. |
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Apr 17 2007, 05:26 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...let's put it this way, I try not to OK? (personal reasons) @eidolon: Well said... |
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Apr 17 2007, 06:04 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
As I said, you've made the choice to not understand. I'm not going to condemn you for that, at least not today, but I hope you'll reconsider at some point in your life. eidolon: the belief that these sorts of events (and, more importantly, the actors thereof) cannot or should not be understood is sufficiently poisonous and widespread that I cannot allow it to go unaddressed when the matter is under discussion. ~J |
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Apr 17 2007, 06:22 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 16-October 03 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 5,729 |
So to put a more SR spin on this thread, how about this...could the rapidly increasing violence across the US be adequate explanation of proliferation of firearms in the SR verse?
Could gun-control freaks have swung in the opposite direction, advocating the ownership of firearms as a means to be able to counter such bloody incidents as what happened yesterday at Virgina Tech? I believe the firearm manufacturers would see this as an opportunity. "People have guns, and if you don't, be ready to be their victim," could be a sort of marketing philosophy. Here's an example of how fear can influence the sale of firearms. I was living in Baton Rouge, LA (60 miles from New Orleans) back when Hurricane Katrina hit. Several days after, my neighborhood was still without power. News of fleeing New Orleans residents moving towards my city, with rampant robbery and looting in their wake, traveled quickly to my surrounding area. Because of this concern, I decided it was past time to stock up on some survival equipment, including ammunition for my guns. I went to the local gun store near my home and found a bizarre sight. There was a line of people out the front door and circled around the side of the building. The management was only letting a handful of people in at a time. EVERYONE was buying guns. Shotguns, revolvers, carbines, etc. And those few who weren't, were buying extra ammo. It took 30 minutes in line before I could even enter the store, another 15 min before I could get an employee to grab .45 ammo for me (the shotgun ammo was within easy reach), and another hour to check out. I chatted with the manager and he told me that he had a caravan of trucks continuously going back and forth between his store and warehouses that stored the weapons. He said the he felt he was going to sell more guns in that weekend than he sold the entire year before. Needless to say, East Baton Rouge Parish would have been a poor choice for thieves and looters. Thankfully, after it was all over there were no reports of looting or robbery anywhere near where I lived. Still, the incident sold a LOT of guns. |
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Apr 17 2007, 06:23 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
@Kage:
And that's a fine opinion to hold. Note that nowhere did I say that it was incomprehensible. I said that it's not an argument to have here. |
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Apr 17 2007, 06:28 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...I made the choice to try and put it behind me. I bloody well understand what went down both yesterday and several years ago. Was it a stupid reason? You betcha it was. I knew the woman who was shot & killed that day at my college and why her boyfreind did what he did. Just because I used character perspective doesn't mean I am insensitive to the situation thank you very much To eidolon and all other posters, sorry for getting so inflamed over this. :noflame: |
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Apr 17 2007, 06:32 PM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
Yes people now who he was and will remember what it was he did for sometime. But question if the news would refuse to report on things of this nature would there be so many occurrences? I do believe that some if not all of these types of incidents come about because the perpetrators know they will be to some degree made famous. Thus they feel that they are no longer a nobody or inconsequential. It was what 5 minutes after the shooting that Columbine was mentioned and if for some reason you didn't know about that incident now you do cause it was reintroduced which puts those shooters back into the limelight as it were. It's time the new learned to report on things that don't give some people ideas on how to become famous or if you will infamous. How about reports on say orgies thus giveing some people the idea of if we have mass group sex we get on tv now that is or at least should be non violent yet still a major shock factor in todays world. |
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Apr 17 2007, 06:38 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...a freind of mine once summed such thinking up thus: "I'm going to get me a gun and get in the news" |
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Apr 17 2007, 07:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 28-July 05 Member No.: 7,526 |
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Apr 17 2007, 07:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 21-December 06 Member No.: 10,416 |
Just in front of the girlfriend. Go up and tell her very sincerely, honestly and from the heart how he felt, being a little emotional too, in a sobby way wouldn't hurt. If still dumped him, stand up, look her in the eye and say, "I love you." Then, quick as a flash, BANG, shoot himself. From then on, guess what she'd be seeing every time she heard or said that phrase? |
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