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Thane36425
post Apr 17 2007, 07:12 PM
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...and before you ask "why the hell didn't you do anything?" witnessing something like that in RL it's a lot different than in a game.

Yes it is.
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post Apr 17 2007, 07:20 PM
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Thankfully, after it was all over there were no reports of looting or robbery anywhere near where I lived. Still, the incident sold a LOT of guns.

Sort of the same thing happened here after Hurricane Isabell. One day of armed and open patrols was enough to convince the bad people to go elsewhere.

It puzzles me, this call for guns on campus. Sounds like a really bad idea. Letting drunk, wild college kids have guns? Surely we've all seen the videos on the Internet about the stupid stunts and fights they have now. This shouldn't turn into a debate about gun laws, as was asked earlier, but just plain common sense says that this would be a bad idea.
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post Apr 17 2007, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE (2bit @ Apr 17 2007, 02:09 PM)
lol - dr phil

video games to blame already

...I was waiting for this.

Last night on CNN he was a guest of Larry King. I almost puked.

I'm surpirsed the religious right hasn't yet come down on RPGs like they have in the past.
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post Apr 17 2007, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Apr 17 2007, 10:39 AM)
...definitely a bad scene.  My point is if the gunman was going to kill himself anyway, why didn't he just stand in the quad in front of everyone put the gun to his head and pull the trigger instead of taking all those people with him.  Hell, even KK (in any version) isn't that stupid.

Just in front of the girlfriend. Go up and tell her very sincerely, honestly and from the heart how he felt, being a little emotional too, in a sobby way wouldn't hurt. If still dumped him, stand up, look her in the eye and say, "I love you." Then, quick as a flash, BANG, shoot himself. From then on, guess what she'd be seeing every time she heard or said that phrase?

...not quite what I implied, but yes, a total sleazeball nutcase would probably pull a stunt like that.
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post Apr 17 2007, 07:35 PM
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...not quite what I implied, but yes, a total sleazeball nutcase would probably do something like that.

My point being the girlfriend was the only one he needed to hurt, so why do it on the quad in front of all those peole who had nothing to do with the problem?
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post Apr 17 2007, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (Thane36425)

It puzzles me, this call for guns on campus. Sounds like a really bad idea. Letting drunk, wild college kids have guns? Surely we've all seen the videos on the Internet about the stupid stunts and fights they have now. This shouldn't turn into a debate about gun laws, as was asked earlier, but just plain common sense says that this would be a bad idea.



Just a couple of clarifications here.

#1 Depending upon the state you live in, drunk and wild college kids can already legally own guns.

#2 My comment about incidents like this being the precursor for wide-spread gun ownership was from a GAME perspective, not real life.

#3 For my opinion about "guns on campus", see my original quote:

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A tragedy that could have been avoided (or at least mitigated) if the university staff were allowed to carry concealed.



And as a final note, I [illegally] carried a hand-gun on campus the entire time I was in college (4 years +). I also went to my share of parties and got PLENTY drunk. Not once was my pistol involved in any of those types of incidents.
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post Apr 17 2007, 07:37 PM
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I'm surpirsed the religious right hasn't yet come down on RPGs like they have in the past.


Give them a few days. I'm sure they'll be coming out of the woodwork soon enough.
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post Apr 17 2007, 07:45 PM
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i'm not entirely sure that my ex-girlfriend of 5 years was not envolved in this. i will hopefuly find out later today. As i see her father at work regualry.

as for my 2 cents.

the country with the lowest violent crime per citizan in the world, also has the hightst gun to citizan ratio in the world, switzerland
When austrila baned guns, crime went up 14% in 7 days, violent crime went up 25%

When you are in a sean of extream violence it is a shock. some people act, some people react. At no point can you draw coralation between a single act and an ongoing event.
I think the the US. has been demasculated.
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post Apr 17 2007, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE (Thane36425)
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Apr 17 2007, 02:25 PM)

...not quite what I implied, but yes, a total sleazeball nutcase would probably do something like that.

My point being the girlfriend was the only one he needed to hurt, so why do it on the quad in front of all those peole who had nothing to do with the problem?

...involve others in his "pain" (an old cliche but misery loves company).

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post Apr 17 2007, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE (Shrike30)
I hate it when life leads me to ask this question (especially because the bad kind of answers are always the silent ones), but...

Is everyone still here? Did we lose anyone at Virginia Tech today?


In the UK here, far from Virginia. But I will be praying for the victims and those close to them. And the killer himself, too.

I think whatever our beliefs on the issues involved, that we can all send our prayers or hopes to those who have lost someone today.

-Khadim.
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post Apr 17 2007, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (Straight Razor)
i'm not entirely sure that my ex-girlfriend of 5 years was not envolved in this. i will hopefuly find out later today.  As i see her father at work regualry.

as for my 2 cents.

the country with the lowest violent crime per citizan in the world, also has the hightst gun to citizan ratio in the world, switzerland
When austrila baned guns, crime went up 14% in 7 days, violent crime went up 25%

When you are in a sean of extream violence it is a shock.  some people act, some people react.  At no point can you draw coralation between a single act and an ongoing event.
I think the the US. has been demasculated.

On that note, read this about Kennesaw, GA (Gun Town, USA)
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post Apr 17 2007, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (2bit)
lol - dr phil

video games to blame already

and it turns out that the shooter was a disturbed english student, not a computer gaming geek.

*sigh*
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post Apr 17 2007, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE (Straight Razor)
the country with the lowest violent crime per citizan in the world, also has the hightst gun to citizan ratio in the world, switzerland

Now try to expand that correlation. How do the ten countries with the lowest crime-per-citizen rates compare in gun-to-citizen ratios? The ten countries with the highest gun-to-citizen ratios, how do they fair in the crime-per-citizen rates?

What about ancillary laws? I believe that most cantons are pretty restrictive about who they issue permits to to carry firearms in public. There's a difference between gun ownership and carrying—do you have statistics there?

~J
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post Apr 17 2007, 08:43 PM
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Am I the only one who wants to launch paople who make assanine statments like Dr. Phil out of a trebuchet?

Damn, guess I've played too many of those violent games. :S

I've played violent games for a long time. I've never gone on a killing spree. MOSt people who have played these games have not gone on a killing spree, nor would they. Maybe with some people it might cause what he is talking about, but those people are already sociopaths, he defeated his own fragging argument if he bothered to look at it logically.

Maybe thats asking too much.

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post Apr 17 2007, 08:53 PM
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Dudes, murder is never a solution of a break-up. If he loved her so much he should have kidnapped her, drugged her, kept her disoriented, and love-bombed her until she would do anything for him, including drink the green koolade.

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My brother is going to a public university in the fall. I can't buy him any "offensive weapons". I'm thinking of getting him pepper spray and one of those things you use to punch out windows. Won't help him shoot back, but at least he can escape a little easier.


You might want to consider a tazer and NIJ Level III body armor.
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post Apr 17 2007, 09:02 PM
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Dudes, murder is never a solution of a break-up. If he loved her so much he should have kidnapped her, drugged her, kept her disoriented, and love-bombed her until she would do anything for him, including drink the green koolade.


Okay, seriously... that's creepy.
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post Apr 17 2007, 09:22 PM
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But sensible!

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post Apr 17 2007, 09:33 PM
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Tasers are illegal in most of Maryland, unfortunately. I've semi-seriously considered a class III jacket for him, but I suspect he wouldn't wear it half the time (although considering the other geeks at the school, he wouldn't look especially out of place while there. I remember last time I visited a 5'4", 170lb chubby kid walked into the cafeteria with a dracula cape and fake teeth. Hrm... Maybe I really should worry...)
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post Apr 17 2007, 09:37 PM
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Lovelorn collegians could learn a great deal from the CIA and many successful doomsday cults. I wouldn't recommend it over wild unprotected rebound sex with the campus slut followed by a big shot of penicillin and a date with a bottle of delousing shampoo; but I would recommend it over shooting 32 people.
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post Apr 17 2007, 09:53 PM
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Lovelorn collegians could learn a great deal from the CIA and many successful doomsday cults. I wouldn't recommend it over wild unprotected rebound sex with the campus slut followed by a big shot of penicillin and a date with a bottle of delousing shampoo; but I would recommend it over shooting 32 people.

I wouldn't recommend it either, because every detail would be in the campus grapevine before the regret even had time to kick in. Be better off scraping up a couple hundred bucks, going out of town and hiring some "talent" from a reputable agency. Still need the penecillin and all that, but with anonymity.
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post Apr 17 2007, 10:07 PM
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Alright, I think that this one has run it's course. I do appreciate threads like this because I think they help Dumpshock and DSers be a bit more of a community. But this has gone past the point of being useful and then some.
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