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 Apr 19 2007, 08:06 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 17-April 07 Member No.: 11,471  |
One of my characters (obviously the comic relief) is choosing to fight with a broom. The difference is that each bristle of the broom has been replace with monofiliment wire and the other side has been rigged with a spray valve that will spray a blinding smoke or powder of some sort. I was wondering how you guys will deal with the damage? While its shorter there are more of them (hundreds). Also the reach? A whip is two meters but a broom is 1.3 meters (yeah I measured) would you give that reach +1 or reach +2?
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Apr 19 2007, 08:26 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...a melee version of the Roomsweeper :D
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Apr 19 2007, 08:30 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 31-May 06 From: Greater Frankfurt Member No.: 8,628 |
Mono-broom? Craazy :love: Comparing it to other weapons I'd rather give it +2 reach, though I'm not 100% sure.
@Kyoto Kid: ROFL :D |
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Apr 19 2007, 08:55 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
If you got karma for insanity, that player just made a bundle. For reach, I'd give it the same as the staff which is Reach +2. It's longer than most swords after all. For damage... tricky one. On the one hand there are tons of bristles, on the other hand I see a lot of the damage of the monowhip coming from wrapping around limbs and such. This weapon will simply be (forgive me) brushing the target. Possibly about 5P, maybe 6P. I hope this character has a suitably daft name based on his weapon of choice. "I am... the SWEEPER!" I'm seeing shades of Mystery Men, here. -K. |
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Apr 19 2007, 08:56 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 17-April 07 Member No.: 11,471 |
I thought about the wrapping but then I looked at that one wire that does 8P if you touch it without gloves and thats just while holding it and figured that the damage couldn't be based on wrapping or it would have to be more then just touching. |
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Apr 19 2007, 09:12 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
I'm probably bringing too much real world feasability into it. But I think a monofilament (do they mean monomolecular?) whip would require pressure to actually cut through anything. After all, that's what the weighted tip is for. If you rest a razor blade edge down on your hand, it doesn't start sinking into the flesh, you have to put pressure on it. And a monofilament strand may be sharper (I don't know), but it's probably even lighter, too. With a broom version, you're effectively dragging the strands across your opponents body. I think that will leave a lot of very nasty paper cuts, but without a weight on the other end of those strands so that it gets pulled over the flesh from both ends to produce pressure, I don't think it will do as much damage as the whip would. I think monofilaments would also be a lot thinner and more flexible than brush bristles. It would be like being swabbed with the angora rabbit of death! What you really want, I think, is a Shock Mop! |
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Apr 19 2007, 09:28 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 17-April 07 Member No.: 11,471 |
While I like the shock idea (oh there will be a charger in it now!) Its not like rubbing it in my mind because it seems like I would be bringing it down. Ask someone to hit you hard in in the arm with a broom. Even now it kinda hurts and makes you itchy.
Also if the tips were heavier it could be used to make the broom wrap slightly wrap around the arm or neck of the person. |
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Apr 19 2007, 10:59 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
yes. a microwire with the weight of an entire human body on it deals 8P damage. it probably also slices off your fingers in the process, along with a good chunk of your hand. i agree that the weighted tip is an essential feature of the monowhip, and without that the monowhip wouldn't work at all. |
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Apr 19 2007, 11:21 PM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
It's been generally agreed that, despite all scientific evidence to the contrary, they are referring to a braided buckytube line. |
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Apr 19 2007, 11:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 524 Joined: 12-April 06 Member No.: 8,455 |
MY MOP!!!!!
*runs* |
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Apr 20 2007, 12:37 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...I can see it now....
...and now another episode of Samurai Janitor.... :silly: |
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Apr 20 2007, 12:48 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 5-April 07 Member No.: 11,388 |
Nice UHF reference.
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Apr 20 2007, 05:01 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: 4-June 06 From: Kansas City Member No.: 8,644 |
Why not just make the broom out of microwire, instead of monofilament. It would have a little bit more rigidity to it, and still be deadly. The monofilament to me just seems to light to do anything without a weighted end, and at a short length like you find on a broom, you aren't really going to benefit from the whipping action of, well, a whip.
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Apr 20 2007, 06:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
Many brands of fishing lines are Monofilament but you don't see me or anyone else cutting peoples heads off with it. For some reason in science fiction they take it to the next level of monomolecular. (one of the earlier edition SR books had a quote like the one above but they used shoe lace, instead of fishing line). The weapon still requires tension. You don't get 8P damage for holding micowire with out the special gloves you get 8P damage for trying to climb it with out the gloves. One problem the broom faces is concealment. You can't hide that under clothing as it rip it to shreds and I don't think it could retract the bristles. The mono-whip retracts into its handle for easy concealment. Hell you can hide it in a cyberfinger. Lets remember this is science fiction. And its not science fiction if you don't BREAK the laws of physics. But that doesn't mean you should just be ridicules. |
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Apr 20 2007, 06:19 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
Are you serious?!?!??!? Guard: You're not a Shadowrunner in disguise, are you? We wouldn't want anyone sneaking weapons in here. Character: Me? No, I'm just a humble janitor with a humble broom, humbly humbling along. You don't need to worry about me, Mr. Guard, Sir. Now if you don't mind I have some humble sweeping to do in the CEO's office. |
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Apr 20 2007, 06:22 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
When I play I shoot, in this order:
Secretaries Janitors Guards The SecMage is always disguised as a Secretary or a Janitor. |
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Apr 20 2007, 06:33 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 17-April 07 Member No.: 11,471 |
The filament goes back into the brooms shaft and is replaced by normal bristles so it looks amazingly like a regular broom. |
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Apr 20 2007, 07:18 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: 17-March 07 Member No.: 11,248 |
Now that's just silly! Er, well, relatively speaking, of course. In the context of the whole monofilament broom thingy... :eek: ;) |
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Apr 20 2007, 09:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: 14-November 03 From: MSP Metroplex Member No.: 5,822 |
I think you'd need some sort of weight on the end of each bristle, which could could be a very dense, but still small metal tip. Monofilament isn't very rigid, as I understand it, so if you hold the broom horizontally, the bristles will hang directly downward. You could probably apply a "charge" of some sort that would hold them rigid. You could also have the monofilaments scattered among normal bristles, so it would look like a normal broom. You could retract the normal bristles into the handle, leaving the monofilaments out for killing.
Whipping it at someone would probably put a million bleeding papercuts. I don't know how lethal that would be. I don't think the weight would be enough to cut through armor, so I'd probably give it a +AP value. Luckily, the monofilaments won't reach back to you, holding onto the end of the handle, so you don't have the nasty "self-decapitation" problem you get with a standard monowhip. Yep, that's pretty damn silly. P Dread Polack |
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Apr 20 2007, 09:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 410 Joined: 5-April 07 From: Vancouver, BC Member No.: 11,383 |
What about having a broom/ monofilament whip combo. It looks like a regular broom but then with the press of a button 9 long monofilament strands extend out a meter, giving you a cat-o-nine tails. The strands would be weighted of course, and you could just use the stats for the whip as the weapon would be similar enough. You would also have the concealability factor you were going for.
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Apr 20 2007, 10:15 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Well, we already have mops thhat retract into the handle. A broom that does do wouldn't be too silly.
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Apr 20 2007, 11:11 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
We're probably going about this the wrong way. Surely there are contact poisons that could be applied to the broom. Then the shallowness of the cuts wouldn't be a problem, they'd be sufficient to get the poison into the body. |
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Apr 20 2007, 11:47 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Wouldn't a long-handled basting brush be more appropriate for the application of deadly contact toxins?
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Apr 20 2007, 11:49 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
Take note the basting brush shown is MONOFILIMENT!
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Apr 21 2007, 12:49 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...lends a whole new spin on the Iron Chef... :cyber:
...man I'm getting some real twisted character concepts here...:grinbig: |
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