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 May 19 2007, 11:28 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 15-November 06 Member No.: 9,866  |
So, it says that cares can point there guns around cameras and shoot, aiming with the smartlinks gun camera. What types of modifiers would apply for a test like this?
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May 20 2007, 12:10 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
i think the general consensus that was agreed on was that it worked like firing from full cover, because that's basically what it is.
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May 20 2007, 02:39 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 12-December 06 From: Salish-Shidhe territory, near Seattle Member No.: 10,346 |
cool because I've got a candy-raver orc on a rampage that's causing lonestar nightmares right now - this'll help put this into balance a bit more. They'll still need to corner her enough to get some officers into a flanking position though (which tends to prove hard due to the sniper rifle toting partner the orc has).
preciate the public opinion Jaid. |
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May 20 2007, 03:00 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
*sob*
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May 20 2007, 04:11 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Remember that airborne drones are a Lone Star favorite. They don't have to send out the officers when a bunch of armed rotor-drones can get there faster and with less insurance risk.
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May 20 2007, 04:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 24-March 05 From: On a ledge between Heaven and Hell Member No.: 7,226 |
Don't forget that lonestar has more resourses than just guns. An Air Spirit or 2 could surprise the sniper. They would have snipers of thier own. Swat teams with military grade armor and ballistic shields. Armed attack vehicles. Smoke grenades. Mages with invisibility spells. |
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May 20 2007, 04:27 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,192 Joined: 6-May 07 From: Texas - The RGV Member No.: 11,613 |
And my personal favorite...puke gas. ;)
Just mix it with hot smoke, so the sniper can't see anything to shoot, and ultrasound your way to an easy arrest. Can't be a deathmachine if you're spraying your lunch all over the alleyway. Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! ) |
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May 20 2007, 07:10 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
Why bother? Use a pair of roto drones with MMGs from 1000 meters away. There is a reason why Lone Star has them. |
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May 20 2007, 07:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 15-November 06 Member No.: 9,866 |
They would need to use LMGs, MMGs are to big for the weapon mount that you can get with 3 body. |
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May 20 2007, 08:01 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
Yeah, but the Lone Star Strato-9 that carries an MMG was both totally legal to buy over the counter and the entire armed drone cost less than the MMG IIRC. . . SR3 had some interesting quirks. |
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May 20 2007, 07:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 403 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Kill Em All Member No.: 2,018 |
Yeah, but the general consensus was that they were stolen goods at that price, just readily available... In my meory at least of the rampaging arguments that particular drone always evoked.
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May 21 2007, 04:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 24-March 05 From: On a ledge between Heaven and Hell Member No.: 7,226 |
I would have any recoil modifiers not compensated for doubled.
It would involve sticking just your arm to the elbow around the corner, so practically full cover. This could really only be done with firearms that can be shot with just one hand. Yes I have seen Future Weapons with the Rifle that can shoot around corners. So specialized equipment would be possible. The "Rifle" in the show looks like a specialized pistol, with a bunch of nifty equipment behind it. The firearm showcased does keep all body parts behind cover though. |
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May 21 2007, 09:01 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
I see no reason to restrict it to weapons that can be used in one hand.
Take your long arm that is built to be used with one had on the trigger, one on the horizontal grip under the barrel (e.g. shotgun slide). It may or may not have a shoulder stock. With your left hand palm up in front of you place the for grip (or shotgun slide) in your palm and hold, your right hand will grip the handle with your thumb under the trigger guard (if present) and your fingers reaching over where the ball of your palm would normally go. while standing with full cover behind a wall with the enemy around the corner and to your left you extend your arms so the gun points around the corner. I would defiantly double uncompensated recoil and the shoulder stock provides no advantage. Another nasty piece of equipment is the smart firing platform, I can se them being pushed around the corner in groups of 3 or more. Edward |
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May 21 2007, 10:05 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 12-December 06 From: Salish-Shidhe territory, near Seattle Member No.: 10,346 |
wait - full cover? I looked it up and it only has 'firing from cover: -1' in the ranged modifiers chart. nothing about firing from full cover. |
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May 21 2007, 05:18 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
you sure? i thought it was -1 to attacking from it, and -3 or so to attack someone who has it...
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May 21 2007, 05:25 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Well I'm feeling too lazy to double check after writing up a bunch of House-Rules for a new campaign very loosely based on Bleach (I kept the same basic concept but stripped away as much of the Japanese Anama feeling as I could), but if I remember correctly in order to shoot back at someone with Full Cover you have to shoot through the Barrier Rating of whatever he's hiding behind plus you get modifiers for not knowing exactly where to aim. (I wouldn't hand out the full 'Blind Fire' Modifier since you basically know where he is since he's got to be holding the fragging gun, but its still got to be worth something.)
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May 21 2007, 06:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 718 Joined: 10-September 05 From: Montevideo, in the elusive shadows of Latin America Member No.: 7,727 |
so... -4 instead of -6 maybe?
Cheers, Max |
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May 21 2007, 06:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 24-March 05 From: On a ledge between Heaven and Hell Member No.: 7,226 |
Although certian drones came with weapons we never played that the cost of the weapon was included in the cost of the drone.
Finding it hard to imagine a stable firing platform as such. Ok, perhaps 2 handed firearms, but with double range mods.
Oh ya! :) Those are great! They don't really need to be manned. |
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May 21 2007, 08:39 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 12-December 06 From: Salish-Shidhe territory, near Seattle Member No.: 10,346 |
right, so if you're firing a smartlinked gun around a corner relying on the guncams in the smartgun system to sight and aim, giving you full cover then you're at -1 dice pool modifier if no other conditions exist (like enemy in cover, etc). is that correct? thanks for clarifying for me :) |
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May 22 2007, 02:52 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
If your doing this at any range that would inflict penalties on a 2 handed weapon you shouldn’t be trying it. At least not for anything other than suppressive fire. The other trick is to have a age with magic fingers hold the gun from 5 meters back. Of cause the tricks a skilled mage can pull against a low number of opponents are scary, alternating real and illusionary opponents, never offering a real target forcing the enemy to burn ammunition until its all gone, I will have to do that some time. Edward |
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May 22 2007, 03:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 24-March 05 From: On a ledge between Heaven and Hell Member No.: 7,226 |
:) |
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May 23 2007, 01:06 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 26-July 05 Member No.: 7,517 |
In my games, I assess a penalty of -4, and agility applies normally. Still far better than blind fire.
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May 23 2007, 03:14 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,192 Joined: 6-May 07 From: Texas - The RGV Member No.: 11,613 |
My issue is that you can aim fine with a recticle from a remote location. I mean, look at how cool you are with a mouse. You're not touching the screen itself but the mouse seems to find it's way to the target just fine. Why is it suddenly different with a firearm when it's held from around a corner?
Recoil would suck but I find this "fire around cover" ability to be the number one reason why the Future Warrior system, which also includes this technology, is going to totally rock people's socks. I've seen plenty of videos from the US Army training center with accurate shooting from behind cover by holding the weapon overhead and/or around a corner. It's single shots because of clumsy recoil, but it still gets the job done just fine. Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! ) |
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May 24 2007, 03:05 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 403 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Kill Em All Member No.: 2,018 |
Single shots I would bet Phipps.
Im infantry myself, USMC, and RECOIL would kill in a corner shot like that. |
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May 24 2007, 03:14 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Well I think there's footage from the Vietnam War showing people using spray and pray tactics by holding their rifles up above cover and not looking. I don't think that's considered a viable strategy anymore, though.
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