 Invisibility Spell and Electronics, Question about the rules |
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 Jun 11 2007, 07:53 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 2-June 07 From: Minneapolis, MN Member No.: 11,809  |
I have a player that loves to use the spell, Invisiblity and I'm wondering if this spell would also make him invisible to security cameras, cybereyes and the like. I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong.
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Jun 11 2007, 07:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 834 Joined: 30-June 03 Member No.: 4,832 |
Thats what improved invisibility is for, regular invis only affects living percievers(including living people with cyber eyes).
edit: i before e.. |
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Jun 11 2007, 07:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 410 Joined: 5-April 07 From: Vancouver, BC Member No.: 11,383 |
improved invisibility does if you beat the object resistance of the camera. Thats at least 4 hits needed.
edit/ damn not quick enough. |
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Jun 11 2007, 07:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 834 Joined: 30-June 03 Member No.: 4,832 |
:P Actually, your post had other good information that mine didn't include, so it's all good :) |
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Jun 11 2007, 08:06 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
Keep in mind that Improved invisibility only fools cameras, or other technical means of visual detection.
In 2070 a lot os security systems use a lot more sophisticated sensors than just simple cameras, though for cost reasons those are nearly ubiquitous. Things invisibility does nothing for include: Pressure Plates Motion Sensors (usually these work with ultrasound echo location) Microphones Seismic Sensors Radar Sonar Ultrasound Because the spell says it bends light it MAY (probably GM discretion here) work on Laser trip beams. |
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Jun 11 2007, 08:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 410 Joined: 5-April 07 From: Vancouver, BC Member No.: 11,383 |
I always thought motion sensors were based of off infrared and not ultrasound. I would also hope that the invisible guy was not relying on just the invisibly and was also using an infiltration skill to help bypass the other sort of sensors. |
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Jun 11 2007, 08:37 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 2-June 07 From: Minneapolis, MN Member No.: 11,809 |
Hmm... I'll have to check and see if he has Improved invisibility before the next game.
Thanks for the help! |
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Jun 11 2007, 08:41 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
Do not forget induction field sensors also.
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Jun 11 2007, 09:41 PM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
'Course, you're screwed if he has Trid Phantasm instead. Since Trid Phantasm is both physical and multi-sense, if he beats 4 or so hits on the spell, he's could be invisible in every possible way to all devices. Sucks, that one does, but the drain makes it better and the somewhat high object resistance thresholds help, too.
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Jun 11 2007, 11:42 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
Modern ones are. You can also (and people have) use ultrasound and radar. |
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Jun 12 2007, 03:32 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869 |
They may also have pheromone detectors, so you'll need Physical Mask to defend against those.
Improved Invisibility + Stealth + Physical Mask + Levitate should let you ghost past everything (except someone walking into you). |
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Jun 12 2007, 03:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 24-March 05 From: On a ledge between Heaven and Hell Member No.: 7,226 |
Use skill for Stealth. Having to many spells up and running is asking for Focus Addiction or having excessive negative modifiers to everything else.
Physical Mask helps with phermone detectors? |
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Jun 12 2007, 03:42 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
Including the FAB series for your enspelled character?, :D
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Jun 12 2007, 04:15 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
And if you happen in to some of the FAB strain that attaches to astrally active objects and glows, you'll be a glow in the dark pinata |
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Jun 12 2007, 04:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
I can see how you'd that, motions sensors ONCE used laser or infrared light. However a trip wire is also technically a motion sensor. The glass of water in Jurassic Park acted as a motion detector as the T-Rex approached. However modern motion sensors use sound and in SR when they refer to motion detector they usually say ultrasound sensors which is the proper term. I think a great and near unbeatable invisibility defense is a heavy curtain, It blocks the entire walkway so your required to push it aside. Something like the plastic flaps sometimes used at in door areas at Zoo's to separate some areas. Like a doggy door cut into thiner strips. Lets see an invisible mage get by THAT unnoticed |
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Jun 12 2007, 05:15 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
Secure sites use metal turnstyles that cover the entire entrance. Like this turnstyle It's less subtle, but more effective in keeping people from rushing the checkpoint or tailgating.
No, modern systems use normally use passive IR (PIR). Like This one. Which is one we use. Ultrasonic and microwave sensors are still available, but not common. Do a google search for "PIR motions sensor" and "ultrasonic motion detector" and see how many of the hits of each are for production products you can just buy and install in a real commercial security system. |
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Jun 12 2007, 05:28 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
Did not Mythbuster's put a hurt on PIR and ultrasound systems in an episode?
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Jun 12 2007, 05:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 870 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Athens Ga Member No.: 9,517 |
Actually a multi sensory illusion would defeat the turnstile and the curtain because the caster can just edit that image too. Full sensory can defeat sound based alarms as well. Just edit that part out as well. You can provide a guard with exactly whatever you want to with one. You can edit yourself out in every way or simply make yourself look like you belong.
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Jun 12 2007, 05:41 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
As for modern systems, the military uses induction fields, typically along a line/fence/etc. Anything moving thru the line, distrubs the induction field. But with fairly simple electronic tools you can detect it, now getting past it is another matter. :D
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Jun 12 2007, 06:49 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
The turnstyle typically requires and ID check. So as long as you have a valid electronic badge and your biometrics match the ones on file in the security system you can defeat it. Of course, in SR I'd have it just inside a mana barrier or being watched by an astrally perceiving something, which makes the physical mask trick just a tad bit more difficult. |
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Jun 12 2007, 07:08 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
The "Perimeter Security Sensor Technologies Handbook" from 1997 is full of interesting stuff. Google will find it. There is a spiffy new edition called "Handbook of Intrusion Detection Sensors", but it's restricted to government agencies. :( |
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Jun 12 2007, 08:24 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 12-December 06 From: Calgary, Canada Member No.: 10,351 |
I know my lovely movement light outside my house uses Ultrasonic to sense the movement.
It' makes a very quiet god awful crackling/popping sound every 5 or 6 seconds which sounds like a bug hitting an electric bug catcher. |
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Jun 12 2007, 03:43 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 2-June 07 From: Minneapolis, MN Member No.: 11,809 |
Damn kzt, that Perimeter Security Sensor Technologies Handbook is amazing. Thanks for the tip!
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