Down in the Gutter: OOC, The Nuts and Bolts of Staying Alive Options

[Vegas]

Couple of things...

I was thinking I would edit the images of the HQ to reflect where various gang members are squatting (assuming there's a desire for "personal turf" inside the building) and clean up the images to remove all the crap that would have been lifted out of there anyway so we just see the skeletal remains of what once was there... walls, windows, doors etc.

I guess we can decide if we're just going to claim temp spaces for each ganger, or if we're gonna leave it rather communal as in wherever there's an open bed/couch/pillow we crash kinda thing. If people want to claim space let me know and I can edit maps to reflect that, but I'd really only like to edit it once so I'd rather decide OOC/ICly or whatever and the make the changes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

WR1:

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By the time this whole meetup/regroup happens @ Midnight, is Nevada still suffering any side effects from the Longhaul crash, or are those gone or what's the deal? Thanks!

[Slipshade]

Right now Baby would claim an area, just the way she is at the moment. No offense guys, but no way she is gonna trust any of you yet. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[WinterRat1]

Vegas -

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The side effects from the Long Haul crash end after the appropriate time according to the description. I'm trusting you to track it and role-play accordingly.

[Vegas]

WR1 - I figured as much but just wanted to be super clear is all. Thanks.

[adamu]

Greetings everyone.
I am most sorry for my long absence, which sadly coincided with the happy resurrection of this fine game.
To be brief, I somehow contracted a rare sub-strain of mono. And mono not good for the middle-aged, no not good at all.
Was virtually incapacitated for about three weeks. Emerged from that hell for about ten days of extraordinary weakness (something about my immune system needing that long to stand down from red alert, and also a natural effect of three weeks of no eating or really sleeping). That done, I now feel totally fine, but I face a full month of neglected chores at work, home and church.

I especially apologize to rob, whom I know I left hanging in the IC. Glad you eventually pressed on, dude. Same to anyone else that made IC overtures.

I have just caught up on the OOC. I seriously plan to prioritize getting caught up (including appropriate and necessary posts) on the IC within 24 from now.

[grendel]

Grendel - Would you mind moving the line forward by NPCing Felix's response? Apparently Legion is a popular guy today. If you don't get to it by some time tonight, I'll get something up to keep things moving along.

I would, but I have no idea what Felix's response would be to Legion's question.

[Mister Juan]

I would, but I have no idea what Felix's response would be to Legion's question.

He doesn't personally want Alexis dead. Actually, he'd prefer it if she didn't have to be hurt... but he thinks she has be taken out of the picture.
1- Because she is what prevents a true rift between Father Ron and Bob
2- Because she's a strong magical asset to the Plaguers
3- Because if they can pin it on someone else, it'll give them an opportunity to see how the Plaguers react.
4- Because it will definitly weaken the Plaguers.

Felix believes that there can never be an alliance with the Plaguers, and that with Bob and Alexis alive, the gang will also never be annexed by anyone else.

If you don't post tonight, I should have time tomorrow.
I'm sorry for being flaky these few days, but I've been getting sicker and sicker for the past weeks.
Being in front of a screen makes me nauseous... so I'll try to hand write something tonight, and transcribe it tomorrow (when I'll hopefully feel better).

[Lindt]

Hey Rob, can you make an edit to your post? I was planning on letting Child sleep untill at least dawn (6:55 am for Seattle on that date). But totally wake his ass up.

[rob]

Holy crap, everybody's sick! Feel better, kids (used in a non-age-specific sense)! Vegas, hope you and your fam get through whatever's coming up.

Lindt - werd. Post edited.

[Meriss]

@ALL: I am going to be working on locales for our new turf soonest. Any suggestions? Thoughts? I know I want to do our HQ and the other Gangs HQs. Anything else anyone can think of?

[WinterRat1]

Everyone - Between my exam tomorrow and my weekend long game this weekend, I have not had the time to go over the Addiction Tests yet, that will probably happen next week. Here are some interim items that I've had on the shelf for a bit.

Rob

Re Wireless: You've got Matrix access intermittently. I will have to construct a brief explanation for how the Matrix works in my game, since the infrastructure in the RAW as written is so dysfunctional it was actually one of the main reasons I needed a break from GMing for a while. Namely, it sucked THAT bad and I needed to figure out how to deal with it. For now, you guys have sporadic Matrix access in the immediate area around the Gang HQ. I'll deal with more detailed analysis of this issue in the coming weeks.

Re Dunkie: You detect nothing unusual about Dunkie. He seems to be exactly what he claims to be, a stuffed Dunkelzahn plushie.

Re ISU-90 Estates: I always thought the placement of this location was weird. If you check the wiki and the actual map, it's located on the north side of Emerald Lotus turf. It isn't possible for this to be located where you say it is (on the main road between Hammerpack and Raider turf) because neither of the roads listed as its address exist in that area. For simplicity's sake, I'm ruling that it is located where it currently is on the map and the wiki, on the north side of Lotus turf.

Consistency is a possible issue, but it's simple enough to say it was just a very long walk. It's much harder on Vegas to redo the map pieces and we can't change the address without changing the map and wiki too.

Alternatively, you could just say Box lived somewhere else, and create that 'somewhere else' as a location somewhere in Hammerpack turf. That would clear up most of the issues right there. If you never referred to Box's doss by name (i.e. as ISU-90 estates) then there's no consistency issues at all because you would have referred to it in your posts as simply his home. The fact that his home changed then becomes strictly an OOC issue and not relevant. Regardless, it's a small enough detail that glossing over it is no big deal, especially since Box is moving out anyway.

Meriss - If you want to buy Positive Qualities, discuss it with me on a case-by-case basis. Regarding other gang's HQs, make sure you stick to what's already written and known about them, although feel free to develop and flesh out what is known, or make up something entirely new for what hasn't been written. Ideally, what I'm looking for are 'resources', locations/buildings/points of interest that are worth contesting and holding, because they serve as points of reference in numerous ways. Does that make sense?

Whipstitch - You can find rats in the Barrens without a problem. Regarding the Stockade I like it, but I may move it to Touristville closer to the War Pit, as it seems to make more sense there than Kingsgate. I'll handle it later when I go through the 'Shade Interviews' people put up earlier and post all updates on the wiki en masse. Feel free to IC post and move along

Bearclaw, Mister Juan, Grendel - I don't have time this week to write an IC post NPCing Felix, especially not one with as detailed a response as Mister Juan laid out. Bearclaw, if Mister Juan or Grendel doesn't get a post up and you're ready to write, feel free to simply have Rico barge in on the conversation, assuming of course that you edited your earlier post's timestamp to put him more in-line with everyone else's time. There's nothing wrong with Rico simply interrupting, although of course Legion might not see it that way. Point is, if you don't want to wait you do have that option, but I cannot get the IC post written this week, I have too much other stuff that is time-sensitive and needs to be done first.

[Mister Juan]

There there! IC post up! I will now go back to coughing myself to death!

[Bearclaw]

There there! IC post up! I will now go back to coughing myself to death!

Thanks, my IC is up. I hope you feel better soon.

[Bearclaw]

So, are we gonna NPC any of the "inactives" or did they just disappear?

I ask cause I'd like to take Twiggs and one of the inactive tough guys (Maybe Maus?) as my Beetle dealing crew.

A few things I want to agree on as general knowledge, and work them out here if there's disagreement:
1. Dealing, BTL's or anything out, needs a crew to be done efficiently. One guy takes the money, and gives it to the "bank". The customer heads on down to the next corner. The bank signals the dealer who hands over the product.

2. Deals like this usually split the profits. I'm figuring 50% of the net to the crew doing the dealing and 50% of the net to the Gang.

3. There probably won't be a lot of profit the first few days as we funnel the profits into buying bigger piles of product.

[rob]

Winter: Sweet! Stuff to work with.

1. Re: Matrix Access: This is one of box's pet issues, since he's one of the few in the gang who has any hacking capability, however rudimentary. I will post, IC, what he intends to do about it, but basically if there's matrix access issues, one of his first goals will be to start grabbing materials so he can construct a high-gain antenna and start pirating a connection from somewhere and selling the access. In the next IC post there'll be some rolls where he tries to come up with some knowledge on how to make a connection. But, that's pendign your conception or some conversation, since I can't come up with an intelligent post without some common ground on the phenomenon he's trying to exploit.
2. Re: Location of his old doss: I wrote the orginal write-up for that location, and that ain't where I put it. We went through several editions of the map, and on an earlier edition it would've been elsewhere - somewhere in Hammerpack turf on map sheet C4/C5. If it's by emerald lotus turf, that's actually more convenient for his current goals. Else, I can backwards edit for consistency.
3. Re: Tools: Child says he has an industrial mechanic toolkit. I'm assuming we'll still need some application specific parts we can either buy from a hardware store or jerry rig; but aside from some rolls will need guidance on the details.

So, I'll post IC with some non-specific matrix crap and some non-specific industrial mechanic crap. I will assume his house is over by the lotus for these purposes. He has... ideas for other hustles that they can run if they can get Nevada and/or Caitlin to come with; but that's pending some response from Vegas.

[WinterRat1]

So, are we gonna NPC any of the "inactives" or did they just disappear?

I ask cause I'd like to take Twiggs and one of the inactive tough guys (Maybe Maus?) as my Beetle dealing crew.

The only NPCs who are part of/affiliated with the October Ravens are the ones I listed in the sync up post:

NPCs – Shade, Fool, Twiggs, Dahlia, Nyna, Francesca, Rags, Caitlin, Dunkie

All the rest of the Inactives never even really got started in our game, or are in jail (Doc). Consequently, they have nothing to do with the October Ravens. Vegas is modifying the Gang Roster page to accurately reflect which NPCs are associated with the Ravens and which are simply PCs that never came into play and have no current bearing on the game.

A few things I want to agree on as general knowledge, and work them out here if there's disagreement:
1. Dealing, BTL's or anything out, needs a crew to be done efficiently. One guy takes the money, and gives it to the "bank". The customer heads on down to the next corner. The bank signals the dealer who hands over the product.

2. Deals like this usually split the profits. I'm figuring 50% of the net to the crew doing the dealing and 50% of the net to the Gang.

3. There probably won't be a lot of profit the first few days as we funnel the profits into buying bigger piles of product.

Who are you directing this to, me or the other players? I assume the players but let me know if this is something you want me to respond to.

1. Re: Matrix Access: This is one of box's pet issues, since he's one of the few in the gang who has any hacking capability, however rudimentary. I will post, IC, what he intends to do about it, but basically if there's matrix access issues, one of his first goals will be to start grabbing materials so he can construct a high-gain antenna and start pirating a connection from somewhere and selling the access. In the next IC post there'll be some rolls where he tries to come up with some knowledge on how to make a connection. But, that's pendign your conception or some conversation, since I can't come up with an intelligent post without some common ground on the phenomenon he's trying to exploit.

Since this is mostly Box's pet issue, I'll direct my future discussion towards you. Are you familiar with SR 2's decking rules, specifically regarding Matrix infrastructure? If you are, this discussion will be MUCH smoother.

For now, assume Box has 'a list' of what he needs to do what you describe and we'll hash out the details pending our future conversation. Like my comment below, a trip to an electronics store will provide the necessary parts to work on this, but I don't care about the details, only the 'scenes' involved in the process.

2. Re: Location of his old doss: I wrote the orginal write-up for that location, and that ain't where I put it. We went through several editions of the map, and on an earlier edition it would've been elsewhere - somewhere in Hammerpack turf on map sheet C4/C5. If it's by emerald lotus turf, that's actually more convenient for his current goals. Else, I can backwards edit for consistency.

I know you wrote the original, I'm just saying somewhere along the way things got mixed up and that's where it currently is on the map and wiki. Where things got confused I have no idea, I'm simply saying they did get confused and that's how it ended up.

For the reasons stated in my last post, let's leave Box's doss in Emerald Lotus turf where it currently is, and you can backwards edit for consistency. If it ends up being more convenient for your current goals, then bonus for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

3. Re: Tools: Child says he has an industrial mechanic toolkit. I'm assuming we'll still need some application specific parts we can either buy from a hardware store or jerry rig; but aside from some rolls will need guidance on the details.

You've got 'a list' of stuff you need to buy. I'm not going to go into the details. The point is you need to make a shopping trip, but I'm not going to bother coming up with the details of what you're shopping for. A trip to Home Depot will provide fun RP material and get you the materials you need to work on fixing the sewage/water system of the building.

[Vegas]

@rob - Nevada will gripe and moan a bit about making the trip, but she'll go w/ shotgun in tow. She will NOT bring Caitlin along unless Box specifically makes a DAMN good argument for it, she'll leave her with the whores to be looked after. I want to get a post up, but I honestly don't know when it's going to happen I'm swamped with RL work, RL and wiki stuff as well. Just in case you and Lindt want to press onward.

@WR1 - Wiki is edited, need to add Rags to the NPC's list but the rest are up there. Charley has been added to the Roster as well, expect his intro to the OOC soon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Mister Juan]

@rob - I'm just curious, is Box taking Nevada and Child to a Home Depot sort of store, at midnight?

[Bearclaw]

WR, I guess you need to respond. I just want to make sure my street etiquette check gives the same results as everyone elses.

[WinterRat1]

That's not really a street etiquette issue, it's an issue of how you want to run your operation. There's no 'right' answer. The 'right' answer is whatever you as players decides works best for the October Ravens.

The way you described is one possible way to run things, and it may or may not be the best way depending on any number of factors. For instance, if you guys decide you don't have enough people to dedicate three of them to the operation, maybe you need to figure out a way to do it with less people.

So in the end, you should really be discussing with your fellow players and coming to a consensus for how you want to run your operation, and whatever is agreed upon, try and see how it works. If it works, great, if not, go back to the drawing board and try something else. Does that help?

[Mister Juan]

@WR1
Did you get my 2nd PM?

[WinterRat1]

Yes, but I won't have time to reply until next week.

EDIT: My initial reaction was 'It's just a phase.' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I'll elaborate more next week.

[Slipshade]

I will be posting sporadically with Baby for a little bit.

Just so everyone knows and so no one waits on Baby for anything, here is her general answer to requests for her to do anything that would put her into possible danger at this point. No!

She has 6 boxes of physical damage and looks like she lost a game of chicken with a mac truck.

She is more than willing to act as look out around the HQ as we are still very vulnerable especially with everyone thinking of leaving the HQ to do other things. She will also scout around the park and get the lay of the land, but unless it is Legion asking her to do something she will flat out refuse if it obviously has the chance to cause her further damage.

Hopefully I will get an IC post up in the next day or two.

[Lindt]

Mostly to diagnose the issues that Bock gave him, figure out whats needed, and will take a look (and get back into the right time code) at the in-house stuff that needs fixing.

Industrial Mechanics:
06 06 05 05 05 03 03 01 <- 5 hits.

I haven't said it recently, but I love reading Grack.

[Vegas]

@rob - I'm just curious, is Box taking Nevada and Child to a Home Depot sort of store, at midnight?

Apparently, yes. And possibly even in Touristville! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) The fun never ends in DITG!