 What the in the Nine Hells did that kid just do?, Emergence System Anomalies |
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 Jun 21 2007, 04:49 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 17-February 06 From: San Francisco Member No.: 8,275  |
Anyone else read the little intro blurb on the last page of the Emergence preview? There's a team busting into some insane asylum and some Technomancer kid hacks all of their PANs and overloads their earbuds, effectively disabling the entire team.
How did he do that? The Hacker mentions wi fi emissions in the asylum, even though all the security is hard wired, so maybe we can assume that the kid managed a matrix perception roll v. the Hacker, so that means he can start spoofing. Through spoofing he can get the other comms to give up their commcodes. Then he would thread the bejesus out of his Stealth and start Hacking on the fly, eventually reaching everyone's earbuds that must be attached to their PANs. Does that sound right to anyone else? Can earbuds get that loud or there some artistic license being taken? |
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Jun 21 2007, 04:53 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
i smell artistic license. either that or they are going to throw in some AR attack rules somewhere in the book :)
but hey, in theory earbuds can get as high as they can physically take it. and that will probably be far above what the human ear can take. |
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Jun 21 2007, 04:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Reutlingen.de Member No.: 677 |
oh the joys of freelancer crack.... :smokin:
The kid didn't just override their commlinks, could be it hacked their cybereyes, too, along with its two sprites 'Nausea' and 'Vertigo'. |
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Jun 21 2007, 05:04 PM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
I think it probably was artistic liscence, but I had a hacker in my game break into a kid's wireless mp3 device one time to turn up the volume and get his attention. Not outside the realm of believability to think that a TM could somehow transmit to people at high volumes (especially if they have a sound link of some kind) after gaining access to the group's PAN.
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Jun 21 2007, 05:08 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
I'm not trying to think too hard about that, because Spam Zones, that have actual rules, make even less sense. |
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Jun 21 2007, 05:09 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
The implication in the initial story is that the kid is actually generating his own wireless signal, in that everything is said to be hard-wired presumably as an attempt to stop him hacking everything. It's probably artistic licence, but it's a very punchy introduction piece, so I don't care. |
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Jun 21 2007, 05:12 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
I dunno, I'd find it suprising if they allowed a lot of atristic licence on the piece of fiction that opened the new book. My vote goes to 'sign of things to come'.
Hey, Ronin hacked someone's brain once, in Technobabel. ;) |
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Jun 21 2007, 05:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Reutlingen.de Member No.: 677 |
Thank you :) This sets a new record for 'fastest compliment ever for content of a Shadowrun book not yet released' :D |
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Jun 21 2007, 05:17 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
he also complains that they bring voices. im guessing that the wired security isolates him from the matrix in general.
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Jun 21 2007, 05:34 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
eh? why? i mean, if you walk into a mall, you've got physical proximity to sellers. i don't see why they wouldn't spam you with "hey, look at this!" |
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Jun 21 2007, 05:37 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
It must be awesome walking around in 2070+, having all those holographic ads waving giant penises at you and promising they can be yours.
"KNOCK DOWN WALLS WITH A TROLL SIZED DICK!" as the first thirty five out of forty messages waiting for you when you put on your smartglasses every morning. |
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Jun 21 2007, 05:42 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
You think strong firewalls are a good idea now, wait until when you can boot your commlink and suddenly be assaulted not only by images of said troll-sized members, but also taste them and feel them violating you as a sales pitch.
Firewalls are required to save your damn sanity. |
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Jun 21 2007, 05:48 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
Who says they have to allow you to get in close proximity. In RL today spammers do not have a code of conduct, or oversight committee. Also today what few government attempts to regulate spam, have been feeble and ineffective. I so not see anything changing in the year 2070. I see spam zones loaded with signal sources of maximum strength, one has to get their spam out in front so to speak. I can also see, as you enter or just before you enter such a zone, you get an offer of spam protection via wireless. You pay a fee and the spam is of a "reasonable" level, you do not pay, you seem to be targeted by everything and everyone. Using your AR if you do not pay, is very confusing at least. |
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Jun 21 2007, 05:56 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Because 'proximity' has an accuracy of about 50m diameter - and any Mode other than Active discards anything incoming as a default... the rules also disregard the difference in Firewall quality. |
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Jun 21 2007, 05:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
One sprite for each runner, nuff said.
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Jun 21 2007, 06:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
Well, a technomancer has to - how else should he connect to the WiFi matrix? |
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Jun 21 2007, 06:35 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: 30-June 06 From: Fort Wayne, IN Member No.: 8,814 |
One has to remember, 2070 isn't controlled by "governments" per se, its corporations, and only a few of them. To think that the matrix is not strictly controlled by a handful of these corps is hard for me to believe. I don't see how Corp B can even attempt to spam a person walking in the mall sponsored by Corp A... I just think there is quite a paradigm shift once we start understanding what control the corps have in 2070... |
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Jun 21 2007, 06:49 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
There are tens of thousands of corps in 2070. The AAA "megacorps" control things in the sense that they're the biggest and the baddest and they influence economies of whole nations. But they don't control things in the sense of micromanaging every little life or deciding who is on a spam list or who isn't. And hacking is hacking because you're doing things that the owner of the system doesn't want you to do. It's not only a case of allowing people to do things. It's a case of being able to stop them if you don't.
Well enjoy it as it's coming from someone who doesn't like the idea of technomancers and thinks building a metaplot around a single character archetype is a bad idea in concept. But that's not going to stop me recognizing good work in a fellow writer. :) |
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Jun 21 2007, 06:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Reutlingen.de Member No.: 677 |
If Corp A runs a mall and is very stricht about selecting tennants, then Corp B would not be even in the mall. So yeah, in Aztechnology's Flagship mall in downtown Tenochtitlan, you probably would find Azzie brands only. But that doesn't mean that ARO's, Spam, MegaSale AR-blips etc. would be regulated in any way. mall owners today hardly dictate a Retail store's layout and design other than in ensuring it doesn't violate any safety or totally destroy the mall's aesthetic appeal. After all, the corp wants to make money, and to do soit needs to attract customers. How do you do that? Either specialize in certain market fields or offer a variety of brands and commodities.
This is even more true for public (non-corp owned malls). How these guys advertize might be regulated (the same way today's store front signs and logo sizes might be limited, maybe the ARO's could be regulated, too) but not whether or not at all. All tennants would need to be allowed to advertize their product. |
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Jun 21 2007, 07:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 909 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Louisville, KY (Well, Memphis, IN technically but you won't know where that is.) Member No.: 7,626 |
The team, being morons who obviously don't have sound-damper earbuds that woudn't get painfully loud, had their comms subscribed to the hacker. The kid breaks into the hacker's comm and uses Edit to send an audio/video stream to each team member. The stream consists of a max-amplitude screech that warbles (audio) and some quasi-random swirly pattern (video). Their comms add the stream to the earbuds/imagelink just the way they would for the hacker. This is a lesson to you: never subscribe gear to a comm subscribed to anything else. |
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Jun 21 2007, 07:31 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: 30-June 06 From: Fort Wayne, IN Member No.: 8,814 |
Well, given that a corp is there to make money, I'd think they would be well aware if tons of spam were pushing away consumers...and that is all I am saying. In 2070, these corps have a ton more control than anything we can currently think of (IMO), and to think they are not smart enough to regulate spam going to their own consumers... I guess it all depends on how you want to run your campaign, but I see it as a lot more structured...not to a micro-managed state, but even little hacks, I think they are aware of...they just may choose to do nothing about it. |
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Jun 21 2007, 07:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Reutlingen.de Member No.: 677 |
Good point, but maybe Corp A actually has a stake in the advertizing company that programmed the ARO's or has connections to the data mining outfit that evaluates the losers that actually click on the 'Troll sized Penis scam'...sure they have a lot more control, but that doesn't mean it's managed better. I'd see these ARO's as the 2070 version of that pesky guy trying to hand you a handful of flyers for the store three levels down in the back of the mall near the washrooms...and mall security is doing nothing against the flyer today ;)
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Jun 21 2007, 11:03 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 24-May 03 Member No.: 4,629 |
*coughcoughimmortalelvenmagicianscough* |
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Jun 21 2007, 11:18 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
Missing the point. No-one was unfairly given centre stage because "immortal elf" was their character type. At least I hope that's the case. ;) But I'm now qualifying my reservations to say that although it looks like something I don't want, it looks like it may be a very good thing that I don't want. I hope I'm being fair. |
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Jun 21 2007, 11:26 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
Shopping malls? LOL
Example that that wonderful place in Hong Kong, the mile+ long escalator, just think of the AR spam. Corps have little they can do about spam on the streets so to speak. With the ease of hacking etc that the New rules allow, any script kiddies with is PDA can hack anything the Corps put up to stop spam. Then for those corp enclaves of spam free enterprise, I give you the script kiddy armed with a spam drone, to bring spam into their hollowed spaces. :) :D Spam Zones along streets have a better chance of being "controlled" by various organizations such mafia/yaks etc. And such control is mainly where is my nuyen. They could careless if any person walking along said street was inconvenienced by AR spam. My example of a spam protection racket is a possibility and a fact. It falls right in with the agendas of underworld types/organizations. :rotfl: |
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