Chinese military using crossbows?

Chinese military using crossbows?, Thought you guys might want to see this

G.NOME View Member Profile	Jul 23 2007, 06:20 PM Post #1
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eidolon View Member Profile	Jul 23 2007, 06:25 PM Post #2
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600	Ok. Why? Cause they make no sound? I'm intrigued...

G.NOME View Member Profile	Jul 23 2007, 06:28 PM Post #4
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 164 Joined: 9-December 04 From: former Bug City, now CFS Member No.: 6,875	Full article here. You can also see the new-ish qz-95 5.8mm ar in action. One of the guys is also appearently holding a smg that looks like it's from the 60's.

James McMurray View Member Profile	Jul 23 2007, 06:30 PM Post #5
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957	My questions is: why is their target poster a white guy with a cigarette? Do they get a lot of gun toting redneck terrorists over there?

Method View Member Profile	Jul 23 2007, 06:33 PM Post #6
Street Doc Group: Admin Posts: 3,508 Joined: 2-March 04 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 6,114	Maybe safer to use on planes?

7.62 View Member Profile	Jul 23 2007, 08:13 PM Post #7
Target Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 2-August 05 Member No.: 7,530	From what I remember the Russian Spetsnaz was known to use crossbows along with thrown hatchets and shovels (all supposedly for silent removal). http://www.kgb-militaryschool.com/view/Spe...petsnaz_weapons details some of the special weapons. http://www.amazon.com/SPETSNAZ-Inside-Spec...85221463&sr=8-4 is where I first read about the whole shovel/crossbow thing. Perhaps the Chinese are using the crossbow for the same reason?

hobgoblin View Member Profile	Jul 23 2007, 08:29 PM Post #8
panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242	didnt some ww2 agents get issued crossbows? btw, i see the same showmanship in these drills (diving headfirst in a "window"?!) as one have come to expect from "communist" states. question is, do they do that kind of stuff to make their enemies underestimate them? and how useful can that kind of training really be?

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Jul 23 2007, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE (James McMurray)

My questions is: why is their target poster a white guy with a cigarette? Do they get a lot of gun toting redneck terrorists over there?

Clearly they are very concerned over British Soccer Hooligans

James McMurray View Member Profile	Jul 23 2007, 09:52 PM Post #10
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957	Ah, that makes sense. Who can blame them? Shouldn't they be issuing tac-nukes instead of crossbows?

sunnyside View Member Profile	Jul 23 2007, 09:57 PM Post #11
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,507 Joined: 31-December 06 Member No.: 10,502	As a side note apperantly Tiawanese (sp) special forces have crossbows as well. Mainland just trying to keep up with the tech curve?

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Jul 23 2007, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE (James McMurray)

Ah, that makes sense. Who can blame them? Shouldn't they be issuing tac-nukes instead of crossbows?

I think an aerosol weapon loaded with de-alcoholized beer would probably be most effective.

James McMurray View Member Profile	Jul 23 2007, 10:11 PM Post #13
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957	Sure, but that's inhumane. Be a decent human being and just nuke 'em!

stevebugge View Member Profile	Jul 23 2007, 10:13 PM Post #14
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Jul 23 2007, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE (hobgoblin)

btw, i see the same showmanship in these drills (diving headfirst in a "window"?!) as one have come to expect from "communist" states. question is, do they do that kind of stuff to make their enemies underestimate them? and how useful can that kind of training really be?

That reminds me. I need to come up with a good reason for my players to run into some of the "transparent concrete windows" the BBB talks about on p 252. They may spoil my fun with legwork. But the *wham!* if they don't would be priceless.

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Jul 23 2007, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE (sunnyside @ Jul 23 2007, 02:18 PM)

QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Jul 23 2007, 03:29 PM)

btw, i see the same showmanship in these drills (diving headfirst in a "window"?!) as one have come to expect from "communist" states. question is, do they do that kind of stuff to make their enemies underestimate them? and how useful can that kind of training really be?

That reminds me. I need to come up with a good reason for my players to run into some of the "transparent concrete windows" the BBB talks about on p 252. They may spoil my fun with legwork. But the *wham!* if they don't would be priceless.

A viewing window on to a chemical plant work floor that uses potentially explosive compounds would be a good one. Lots of solvents fall in to this category for example, these solvents could either be being made on this line or being used in the fabrication of antoher product.

bmcoomes View Member Profile	Jul 24 2007, 12:23 AM Post #17
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 651 Joined: 15-September 06 From: Ephrata, Wa Member No.: 9,382	The only thing I can think of as to why they would use a crossbow is that it will go right through a armored (person w/ ballistic armor) target. Brent

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Jul 24 2007, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE (bmcoomes)

The only thing I can think of as to why they would use a crossbow is that it will go right through a armored (person w/ ballistic armor) target.

Brent

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Talia Invierno View Member Profile	Jul 24 2007, 04:00 AM Post #19
Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689	Unlike short/long/folding bows, crossbows don't depend on the user's strength. They were the original equaliser, before firearms came into common use.

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QUOTE (7.62)

From what I remember the Russian Spetsnaz was known to use crossbows along with thrown hatchets and shovels (all supposedly for silent removal).
http://www.kgb-militaryschool.com/view/Spe...petsnaz_weapons details some of the special weapons.
http://www.amazon.com/SPETSNAZ-Inside-Spec...85221463&sr=8-4
is where I first read about the whole shovel/crossbow thing.

Perhaps the Chinese are using the crossbow for the same reason?

I remember seeing some pics of my dad (Force Recon Marine in Vietnam) carrying a tomahawk. It's even big today with V-TAC which has seen use in Afghanistan and Iraq.

And he encountered some NVA and VC armed with very old crossbows. They can definently be nasty, silent weapons.

sunnyside View Member Profile	Jul 24 2007, 04:56 AM Post #21
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,507 Joined: 31-December 06 Member No.: 10,502	Actually I remember reading that the, uh, british I think tried using crossbows in their special forces and decided they were too noisy. They do twang. Also I think most military body armor features ceramic/metal plates. I don't think a crossbow would do well against that. Maybe against the undercover cop style thin kevlar vests.

Jaid View Member Profile	Jul 24 2007, 05:11 AM Post #22
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813	i would suspect they do quite well at punching through armor personally. largely because they were known to punch through armor back when they were first used... and if medieval crossbows punched right through medieval armor, i see no reason a 21st century crossbow couldn't punch through 21st century armor. probably not as long-range penetration as you can get with a gun, mind you, but in certain situations i could see it working.

Talia Invierno View Member Profile	Jul 24 2007, 05:17 AM Post #23
Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689	Not a way that most rich societies are used to thinking: but bullets are used up forever. Crossbow bolts are retrievable and reusable. (Self-sustaining guerrilla tactics?)

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Jul 24 2007, 05:25 AM

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QUOTE (Talia Invierno)

Not a way that most rich societies are used to thinking: but bullets are used up forever. Crossbow bolts are retrievable and reusable. (Self-sustaining guerrilla tactics?)

That would be valid in some cases. But not these guys. They only seem to have one though, even in other pictures, so it could just be for looks.

Or maybe situations where having a shot overpentrate or go flying though a wall is simply unacceptable? Though there already are glazers.

Ol' Scratch View Member Profile	Jul 24 2007, 05:28 AM Post #25
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