 Augmentation Errata, Because nothing is perfect. |
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 Jul 27 2007, 01:00 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,984  |
Hey guys, seems sensible to make a thread like this for Augmentation.
Here is the first one I have found. Weapon Mounts on page 43. They are described but no where are their costs/availability/restriction etc listed, at least as far as I can tell. |
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Jul 27 2007, 01:39 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
It's sort of hidden in the description. The weapon itself uses a Smart Firing Platform accessory (SR4 p. 311) while the cybernetic mounts themselves are given stats on Augmentation p. 42. Neither of the mounts are available at character creation (Availabilities 16F and 24F).
I'm not really sure what the point of them is, though. They recoil compensation or other type of bonus as far as I can tell. Is giving yourself what's effectively a permanently attached drone with a Forbidden Availability and losing 7-8 Capacity really worth it? I'm just not seeing it. I'd rather have a drone that can do a lot more than make me a walking target anyday of the week. They're usually cheaper, too. |
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Jul 27 2007, 01:48 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Not everything is for runners, dude. Those mounts are for cyberzombie death machines. Your are meant to run from them, not get them.
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Jul 27 2007, 01:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 986 Joined: 29-June 07 Member No.: 12,093 |
I dunno it's a lot better than my buddy's Troll who strapped a Smart Firing Platform on his back with the express orders of shooting at anything that isn't a recognized friend.
Ingenious, until he accompanied the Face to a meet with the Johnson and walked away... The wording of the Weapon Mounts section seems to imply the lack of Recoil Compensation. |
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Jul 27 2007, 01:59 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
They'd benefit just as much from a drone instead of a weapon mount, too. Like cramming a Cyberarm Gryomount in both arms for the same total Capacity as a single perma-drone. They're little better than duct-taping a small drone to your arm or back, slapping on a Skinlink, and calling it a day! Except, again, the whole "drones can do everything plus a whole lot more, for a cheaper price to boot!" bit. Runners, security, cyberzombies of death; it's equally "useless" to all of them compared to their alternatives. If they offered something at least interesting, that fact might be different. But not only are they more boring than a drone, they have a limited arc of fire, too. |
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Jul 27 2007, 02:12 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869 |
Wow, the thread was derailed in less than four posts. I think that's a new record. :D
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Jul 27 2007, 02:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,984 |
Wow, I must have scrolled over that half a dozen times looking for the detail.
But still the purpose of the thread is errata, so if people find some, putting it here would seem like a good plan. |
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Jul 27 2007, 02:32 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
That should include the TCS - because you need 2 Hits to stabilize someone, and TCS Level 1 has 1 die. Perhaps, it should extend to all medically used nanite ratings. |
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Jul 27 2007, 04:08 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
What book were these from? |
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Jul 27 2007, 04:15 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Man & Machine...
Yes, they are completly missing from Augmention. No, there isn't any way to simply implant a medkit. |
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Jul 27 2007, 04:28 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
Thanks Rot , found it was looking in wrong place.
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Jul 27 2007, 04:51 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 24-August 05 Member No.: 7,608 |
Something I found by reading the rules about cyberware suites and the Zeiss Example:
Shouldn't there be a reduction of capacity used by options in a cyberware suite, too? Or is everything shrunk by the same factor so it doesn't have any effect at all? While writing, I guess it's the second option. Even so, I think there should be a reduction (a capacity reduction at least) for add on modules used in a single cybereye (be it per Augmentation or because someone used an ocular drone for the other eye and bought any stuff just for the eye without the drone, as the drone itself can be updated by improved the built-in camera). |
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Jul 27 2007, 05:03 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Echo location is an interesting implant. However, it lacks any real rules... until one get's the full set to make it Ultrasound.
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Jul 27 2007, 06:35 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
It's worse than that; a Rating 2 TCS is worse than a Rating 1. The Rating 1 glitches one time in six, but the Rating 2 glitches almost twice as often. True, all Rating 1 glitches are critical glitches, but your mileage with regards to this fact may vary with the cruelty of your GM. |
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Jul 27 2007, 06:40 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
..because you are going to burn Edge, anyway... since you'll bleed dry in both cases.
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Jul 27 2007, 08:37 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Does a ( Rating 1 ) Attention Coprocessor really use the same ammount of Essense as a ( Rating 3 ) Attention Coprocessor?
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Jul 27 2007, 08:39 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Why not? Several implants have a set Essence cost with only Availability and/or Price being variable with the rating. For this implant, you're just updating the chip, not the connections or impact it has on your system.
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Jul 27 2007, 11:14 PM
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CosaNostra Deliverator Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 346 Joined: 29-January 05 From: Philadelphia, PA Member No.: 7,034 |
Table on page 113: Voice Mimic entry needs to add "(Rating 1-6)"
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Jul 27 2007, 11:28 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
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Jul 28 2007, 07:50 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
There's also a reference to the Javanese military junta on pg. 80.
one of the example bio-drones, the Shiawase Cybertooth Tiger (pg 154), has neither the CAST, Stirrup, orientation goad, or an internal commlink. Not only does this make it impossible to rig, it is also unable to use either it's TRACES or SEIES systems without them. |
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Jul 28 2007, 08:07 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Hey, if it's a Junta from Java... :P |
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Jul 28 2007, 08:15 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
There is a junta in Java. -Frank |
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Jul 28 2007, 08:31 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
but it's in reference to a japanacorp and PR. I doubt anyone would care if a japanacorp supported a javanese military junta.
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Jul 28 2007, 08:40 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Yakashima spends a lot of time murdering metahumans in Oceania, so it's possible. -Frank |
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Jul 28 2007, 09:11 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
It was intended to possess a CAST interface - honestly don't know how that slipped by. |
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