 Augmentation Q&A, Ask the developers and the authors |
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 Jul 29 2007, 03:56 PM
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#176
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Immortal Elf  Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890  |
I have no idea what you're trying to say then. The equivalence of what a Guardian Angel could do in 3rd Edition (heal, bonuses galore, auto-resus., shorten healing times, etc.) is available through a variety of options in 4th Edition. If the Guardian Angel were ported over and made as powerful compared to a Medkit in SR4 as it was in SR3, it would be terribly broken. In other words, a Medkit alone in SR4 is awfully close in functionality to what an Guardian Angel did in SR3.
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Jul 29 2007, 04:10 PM
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#177
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
SR3 had two nano-medkits you could implant. SR4 has not. Not 'hook up externally', not 'stuff into a cyberlimb, then hook up' - 'implant'.
Neither the MA nor the GA shortened Healing Time in SR3.
You seem to remember those two implanted nano-medkits doing more than they actually were. But thats no problem - I'm not asking for that. I just want to know how to implant a nano-medkit. Normal, Savior, SuperAngel - I don't care. Just, anything. ;) As a sidenote... the Savoir Medkit provides 3 additional Body Dice for Stabilization. The only time Body is used for Stabilization, though, is when applying a Trauma Patch. Am I missing something? |
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Jul 29 2007, 04:22 PM
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#178
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 6-September 02 Member No.: 3,234 |
Assuming that one is not going to adopt the suggested canon 35-pts. limit for Positive and Negative Qualities, are the Biocompatibility (bioware) and Type O System Positive Qualities supposed to be stackable, or incompatible ? Is it realistic to assume these Qualities may be the result of genetic modifications performed on the embryo, or bestowed by (experimental) genetic treatments ?
A more generic issue: Is the present state of 2070s SR meditech advanced enough to suppose experimental cutting-edge procedures might already allow some characters with these Qualities to have at least some of their biotech bestowed by either embroynic genetic modifications, or adult transgenics genetic treatments, instead of surgical implantations of vat-grown organs ? Leaving all other rules (money costs, Essence Costs, etc.) unchanged, except for the effects of Biocompatibility (bioware) and Type O System. So it would essentially be a background change. |
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Jul 29 2007, 04:52 PM
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#179
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
I think there was a note under genetics that all bioware systems are available as genetic modifications, for the same essence and nuyen cost. The only difference being that your recover using the rules for genetic mods rather than implants.
My question: the modular cyberlimb lists it's cost as a 1.1 multiplier. Does that apply only to the base limb, or does it multiply the cost of all the equipment in the limb as well? What about to custom jobs or optimized limbs? Can you even make an optimized limb modular? Can you switch optimized limbs on a modular system? If you get this on a full cyberarm, does it allow you to disconnect at the wrist AND the elbow? When doing so, you obviously don't have the equipment in the arm you just removed. This requires us to keep track of what installed options are where in the arm: what is in the hand, what is in the lower arm, and what is in the upper arm. Given an obvious cyberarm, according to the tables it would appear that a hand holds 4 capacity, a lower arm holds 6 (10-4 for the hand), and the upper arm holds 5 (the remainder.) Half that for synthetic. So if I specified that my commlink was in my upper arm, then when I switched my lower arm for a jackhammer, I'd still have it. But if it were in my lower arm, I would not. Am I interpreting this correctly? Apply your bulk cyberlimb enhancements wherever you want them, or apply them evenly? This is tricky, because if I put all my bulk capacity enhancments in my upper arm, what happens if I try to attach a bulky lower arm? What about mix-matching obvious and synthetic components? Can I attach a synthetic lower arm to an obvious upper arm, and vice-versa? The text suggests that I can put my hands directly onto my elbows, because they use the same attachment hardware. Can I put hands at the end of my cyberlegs? How about lower arms replacing lower legs? Can I put raptor-legs on my arms and legs and become a quadraped? Speaking of raptor legs, that 10 capacity they list is for the lower leg, correct, since that's the space they take up? So whatever I had in the 8 capacity of my upper cyberleg would be unaffected by my replacement (per the logic above). Are all raptor legs obvious? I would think that, given the existence of satyrs, SURGE, and Transhumanists, that there would be synthetic versions. For about 30,000 and with a capacity of 5, if I grok the formula correctly. That's all I can think of right now. |
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Jul 29 2007, 05:22 PM
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#180
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Yes. Modular cyberlimbs are compatible with standard and customized limbs. Though there's no formal ruling, I'd allow optimized limbs too.
Yes.
Yes. This was a trade off, either we took it into excruciating detail about what fit where or we left it fluid for you to decide. We chose the latter. Obviously certain implants make more sense in some places than others (ie. fingertip compartments, darts, smartlinks, etc). Most people will be satisfied with just swapping out the whole limb temporarily but if you really want to track things you can by divvying up Capacity between parts of the limb.
Bulk enhancement is for the full limb so it should be applied evenly.
I would discourage it just on the grounds that if any obvious cyber is visible then there's not much point in making it part synthetic, but yes it's possible.
There's nothing in the rules stopping any of those options. Though you may have to come up with your own rulings on the effects of some of those setups.
Yes. Hydraulic jacks hmmm...
Yes, raptor legs are obvious. At the very least your gait and motion is different, and the way you legs hinge is equally noticeable. |
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Jul 29 2007, 05:31 PM
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#181
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
But there are metahumans who have digitigrade legs already. If you are a satyr, why would raptor legs be unnatural-looking?
Why couldn't someone who wanted to be a satyr get raptor legs that looked natural? I mean, even if everyone could tell, couldn't you apply the same synth-skin to raptor-legs anyway just because you wanted to? What about cyberlimb enhancements? should that follow the bulk rule and split the capacity use all along the limb? then all your attachments would have to have the same amount of augmentation, or operate at the lowest level. That sound right? Or should I treate it as other equipment and determine where the capacity is in the limb? Then I could attach a super-agile lower limb when I wanted it. |
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Jul 29 2007, 05:37 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Wouldn't covering an "obvious" cyberlimb with flesh just be a slightly off-beat "case-mod"? I mean considering that the capacity levels are different between the two classes it leads me to think that more then just slapping flesh is involved with making a cyberlimb look "natural"
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Jul 29 2007, 05:41 PM
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#183
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
What I'm saying is why can't I get all those adjustments done to my raptorlegs, even if it doesn't fool anyone, because that's the casemod I want?
I mean, I'm house-ruling it, but I think it could be a good addition to the errata that it is a possibility. |
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Jul 29 2007, 06:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 138 Joined: 1-September 02 From: France Member No.: 3,208 |
I missed the Cyber Tails capacity thing in playtest :S I think it would be best to add one, it very much make sense. And for every other “big external implant� too. For example, when you have two feet cyber horns, it makes sense they have some capacity (for a toxin injector for example, things like that).
I was one of the playtester who thought this was specifically a good addition so maybe I can answer. For one, it's certainly (since the invention of cyberware) the worldwide best-seller cyber-implant of all time. It make sense that, after 18 years of Shadowrun books, it was finally mentioned. As for why the stats, it's a very good tool for assassins for example. I agree if space was a premium, it could have been mentioned without the stats (they are quite simple to make on your own), but why have any implant and not this one? It add a sense of comedy, of second degree, it's kinda refreshing in fact in my opinion.
I very much hope not, for both. Game balance issues. But that's just me.
How many customers for this? It make sense it's possible to do this, but as a custom job with some minor R&D before hand. A good “craftman� would probably be able to do it, but it's likely it will never be manufactured and sold by any corps. Not enough market. |
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Jul 29 2007, 06:33 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Once it's Beta or Delta Grade, corps will probably do it. Becaue the implant ist customized anyway...
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Jul 29 2007, 07:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 6-September 02 Member No.: 3,234 |
Really ? Are you sure ? Would you be so kind as to point me to the location of that note, if you can ? This rule would be quite precious to me, flavorwise. |
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Jul 29 2007, 07:26 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
synthetic kid ste--er, raptor legs should definitely be made available, in errata or at least in a FAQ somewhere. sure, they're not going to fool anyone into thinking your legs are normal, but they'll look cool, and you might be able to convince someone you're a satyr. you could convince someone you're a SURGEling, except that those are just a myth. like eskimos.
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Jul 29 2007, 09:00 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 18-March 06 From: Goettingen & Brunswick (AGS) Member No.: 8,388 |
The essence/cost-reduction of cybersuites results from "multi-implant integration and reduced system redundancies" due to cyberware components designed to work with and support each other. The actual size of the components and/or enhancements does not change (at least usually). So your Cybereye retains its original/usual size, as well as its eye enhancements, and both keep their capacity-numbers (the eye the capacity it provides and the enhancement the capacity it requires to implant). Greetings, Nyx |
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Jul 29 2007, 10:24 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
p. 93, under transgenic features, right before talking about infusions. It can be read to say the the cosmetic biosculpting is available for the same costs, or you could read it to say that ANY bioware is available for the same cost or price. It's under the section about animal traits. The only reason not to allow it that I see is someone using that trait from earlier in the book to get a peice of bioware for free. Like I said, the rules don't SAY you can, but they suggest it. It's stretching. New question: Can a Jarhead get headware installed? Assuming, of course, that someone is on hand to turn him into a cyberzombie, since it would result in negative essence. How would being a jarhead and being a cyberzombie interact? What is the smallest drone a jarhead could be installed in? I'm thinking about using the crawler to carry around the brain in a jar. How about putting a jarhead in a bio-drone? |
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Jul 29 2007, 10:43 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Actually, that would a crappy deal, as you can't get higher grade Genetech.
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Jul 29 2007, 11:47 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Point.
So, how about those spell-slinging cyberzombies? |
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Jul 29 2007, 11:59 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
..yeah, Awakened CZs are nastier. But even with their own domain, they don't really pack that much of a magic punch.
BTW- Reception Enheancers really give more Dice on Matrix Perception tests, too? |
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Jul 30 2007, 12:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando Member No.: 815 |
What about astral?
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Jul 30 2007, 04:00 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
CZ'ed adepts are crazier.
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Jul 30 2007, 04:09 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Are they? What do you do with a single power point that makes much of a difference to a cyberzombie? ---
Sure. -Frank |
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Jul 30 2007, 04:23 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
1st level killing hands (pointless) + Elemental strike (awesome).
Smashing blow, on a maxed out CZ troll, has him doing 26P punches to barriers. Berserk gives you +1 to all physical attributes and -1 to all mental for a short time. CZs can have that on top of all their ware and still never hit their augmented cap. Wall Run. |
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Jul 30 2007, 07:58 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
heh, kid stealth. i suspect the name came from "stealthy, those?! you got to be kidding!" |
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Jul 30 2007, 08:30 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Actually, it comes from the character "Kid Stealth" - a character from a Shadowrun novel. He had raptor legs and enough people wrote in wanting rules for "Kid Stealth's legs" that they were written up as "Kid Stealth Legs" in Man and Machine. By now there are relatively less players who have read about the adventures of Kid Stealth, so the item got a generic name that is not dependent upon having a specific reading itinerary. -Frank |
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Jul 30 2007, 09:12 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando Member No.: 815 |
Can cyberzombies', with their single point of magic, learn counterspelling or bond weapon foci?
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Jul 30 2007, 10:27 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Only if they have one of the Awakened qualities that allows that.
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