Augmentation Q&A, Ask the developers and the authors Options

[Ol' Scratch]

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[WearzManySkins]

When one has a cyber skull, the RAW say you can not remove the eyes and replace them with cyber eyes.

But to have a cyber skull the surgeons have to remove all of the bone in the skull at least the outer portions. But those same surgeons can not remove the eyes and replace them.

That is a CROCK of Sh*t.

[Tarantula]

Hmmm...

[Ol' Scratch]

Where are you finding these rules?

As previously mentioned, Cybertorsos and Cyberskulls (as written and as has always been the case) are not full replacement limbs. They're just shells that basically replace your bones and skin (for obvious ones) with chrome. All your organs (of which eyes and inner ears are) are still fully intact and can be replaced just as easily as they could be before. Using exactly the same rules, meaning Essence loss. There's also a lot of spare space inside both parts of your body, and those two cyberlimbs let you fill the void with various gadgets.

Maybe you should step away and go back and read over the rules a bit. I know they can be confusing at times, but most of your concerns have already been addressed either in the core rulebook or Augmentation if you take the time to look for the answers. :)

EDIT: I think I found the part that's confusing you. When it says "cyberlimbs cannot hold..." they're specifically talking about the Capacity ratings of cyberlimbs, not that you can't install those implants as well. It's just going to cost you Essence instead of Capacity, whereas if an entry has both ratings you only have to pay the Capacity instead of the Essence.

[WearzManySkins]

Aug page 38 Quote
Single cyber eye.
"on the end of a tail (be it a balance tail"

Cybernetic balance tails have no capacity but a cyber eye can be installed on it.?!?!?!

By what you have said, cyber limbs can not have anything installed upon them that does use capacity.

The same can be said of a cyber torso it is not a complete replacement of a torso alot of meat is left. Then why does a penile implants and breast implant take up capacity of a cyber torso? Could they not be attached to the remaining meat?

[Tarantula]

"Cyberlimbs cannot hold any bioware, nor any cyberimplants that take up Essence rather than Capacity."
Cybereyes and cyberears take up essence, not capacity. Therefore, they cannot be held in a cyberskull, or any other cyberlimb.

A balance tail works. It is not a cyberlimb (so it can have cyberimplants in it), and thusly you can install a single cybereye (paying with essence) into it. You pay with essence, because a single cybereye does not have a capacity rating, and can only be installed by paying essence.

[Ol' Scratch]

[WearzManySkins]

Interesting one side of the Text War says that cyber eyes and cyber ears can be installed in a cyber limb, the other sides says no.

Again my statement to the beginnings of another Text War on RAW. :)

[Tarantula]

I've figured it out. Funks way ahead of me on this one. Skulls and torso are NOT full replacements. Legs and arms are. Thusly, no 'ware costing essence can ever be put into cyber legs/arms. However, since a torso and skull are shells, there is still meat inside. Putting 'ware into the cyberskull/torso will cost capacity not essence. Putting ware into the meat that the skull/torso is covering costs essence, and not capacity.

Bada bing bada boom. If you get a full limb job, the only places any ware can go that costs essence is your torso or head, since those are specifically NOT full conversions, there is still meat in them to put the ware into.

[WearzManySkins]

Why would a single cyber eye take up essence installed upon a cybernetic balance tail.

AUG page 29 quote
"If you’ve ever had cybereyes, you know what I’m talking about. Cybereyes are essentially trid cameras. Fully wireless-enabled, tricked-out, low-light, image-linked cameras—but cameras nonetheless."

Why could the single cyber eye not use the wonderful wireless link?

[Tarantula]

Because, its still going to cause you to lose some of that overall "you"ness. Why? Cause you have a stinkin' eye in your tail!

[Buster]

I can see being able to install cameras and microphones in cyber body parts. I guess there really wouldn't be much difference between a cybereye and a camera, either tech wise or game balance wise. The only advantage a cybereye gives you over a camera in the back of your head would be to just give a mage the ability to target enemies behind him. A mage should just be able to install a DNI linked endoscope in a cyberlimb and that'd let him target enemies behind him and around corners. Hmmm, that gives me a great idea... Igor, follow me to the cybertechnology lab!

[FrankTrollman]

[jmecha]

Léonization....is it safe to say that if you have Léonization performed on a person they will loose all other Gene Treatments they have recieved since they were 21?

If Jack had his DNA scanned at the age of 21 and then gets Genetic Optimization treatment around the age of 42, and then gets Léonization at the age of 72......will Jack be reverted back to the 21 year old body that never had Genetic Optimization treatment?

If Jack is now Un-Optimization what happens to that point of Bod, Agi, Str, etc... that he had before his Léonization?

Would Jack just need to get Re-Optimized and repay for that maxed out attribute point again?

Personally I think having to get Re-Optimized and repaying the Karma is more then fair since Jack has an entire second life time to do so thanks to Léonization...but I figured is was grey enough to warrent asking the Devs.

[Marwynn]

Question on the Drone Hand, pg 46 AUG

It says that the Drone Hand may be controlled by a rigger normally via wireless. This also means the Remote Control option instead of "Jumping In" to the Drone Hand right?

Also, you can upgrade the Drone Hand with a Small Drone's capacity for Sensors correct?

[Buster]

Frank explained the cybereye/camera solution better than I can.

From my perspective, if I want my mage to be able to target people behind him or around corners, and to not have to take some sort of multitasking ability to pay attention in multiple directions at once, I have to pay essence for my cybereye. If I just want to have another monitor I have to watch with my image link (and split my attention), I can just buy an essence free camera.

[WearzManySkins]

Frank, some interesting points.

Back to an original question, why does a breast implant and penile implant take up capacity on Cyber Limb ie torso.

I do not know about your penile implant but mine has some serious neural connections, and seems to take up a large part of my brain. :rotfl:

Since the Cyber Limb ie Torso has lots of meat left in it,,why does it take up capacity from the Cyber Limb ie Torso? In most cases it merely replacing something that is already there like in the case of the cyber eyes in the Cyber Limb ie skull. Which does not take away capacity from the Cyber Limb ie skull.

[Tarantula]

It doesn't have to Skins. Since a PI has a listed cost of .25 essence and [1] capacity, you can choose to install it to a cyberlimb at a cost of 1 capacity (including skulls, torsos, legs or arms), or, install it regularly for a cost of .25 essence. Its up to you how you want to put it in.

[Ol' Scratch]

[Tarantula]

:shock: :twirl:

[WearzManySkins]

[Tarantula]

Gland is bioware. Bioware always costs essence. If you want breasts with glands in them, you have to pay essence for the breats, otherwise they are a part of the cybertorso (because you paid with capacity) and thusly you can't put glands in a cyberlimb (and they are in the cyberlimb because of the aforementioned capacity cost).
So, you can do it if you pay essence for the whole shebang, otherwise, you can't.

[Ol' Scratch]

[Ravor]

[WearzManySkins]