 Augmentation Q&A, Ask the developers and the authors |
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 Aug 21 2007, 05:18 AM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386  |
Of course, just because you can bypass the nasty stun that comes along with coming down off a Kamikaze high doesn't mean that the constant dose is good for you. Like Frank said, the super powerful drugs will kill you one way or the other eventually, and if you're on kamikaze or nitro 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, it's not going to take very long before the GM starts zapping your essence with the Burnout quality. After all, if an internal narcotics IV drip isn't burning the candle at both ends, I don't know what is.
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Aug 21 2007, 02:21 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,245 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Running the streets of Southeast Virginia Member No.: 11,548 |
I believe they can still use Astral perception though since that's just looking into the Astral rather than going there. IIRC, cyber zombies get to do that anyways. |
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Aug 21 2007, 03:24 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Indeed, Cyberzombies are dual natured and are always astrally peceiving. And they don't even take penalties for doing it. -Frank |
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Aug 21 2007, 06:23 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Frank do the Cocoon related details in the fluff about Aztechnologies Cyberzombies mean what I think it means? It would explain a lot about the two dragons in charge.
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Aug 21 2007, 07:52 PM
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CosaNostra Deliverator Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 346 Joined: 29-January 05 From: Philadelphia, PA Member No.: 7,034 |
Question:
Can a character keep the bonuses/armor from Bone Lacing (or Bone Density or Dermal Armor etc...) if he goes out and gets one or more cyberlimbs? There are 3rd Edition rules (page 33, Man & Machine), are there any 4th edition rules? Thanks, JKL |
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Aug 22 2007, 12:00 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
If you thought it was a reference to Earthdawn Dragons, then yes. There are of course two established cocoon systems which are in "no way" related. ;) -Frank |
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Aug 22 2007, 08:59 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
So is this a "good" cocoon or a "Oh fucking Shit!" cocoon? Feel free to send a PM if you want to hide the truth from others...
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Aug 22 2007, 09:04 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Why would you think that we wouldn't want to know just as much about this as you? |
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Aug 22 2007, 09:10 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
I thought Frank might want to not tell everyone...
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Aug 22 2007, 09:45 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
You clearly missed the Sailormoon horror.
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Aug 22 2007, 11:02 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
:| :| :| :eek: :eek: :eek: :dead: :dead: ??????
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Aug 22 2007, 11:08 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,650 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,328 |
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?act=...ndpost&p=318484
The next one he comes up with is probably worse. |
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Aug 22 2007, 03:57 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Honestly I can't say. Not in that "I won't say" - I literally can't. The stuff in Augmentation was left intentionally open so that different campaigns could run with it in different directions. I personally have no plans to "officially" close that plotline, intending instead to leave it as a potential campaign hook/ easter egg for people to answer (or not) in their home games. Which means that if there's ever an official answer it won't be written by me. Hence, I can't say. But I will say that either the "great humans" theory or the other theory are justifiable from the standpoint of certain things said in Cybertechnology - hence the inclusion. One last paranoid option I leave you with: are you sure that there is actually any difference between the "two"? For that matter, I can think of another group that uses cocoons: the Invae. Are you certain that there are "three" kinds of astral cocoons and not two? Or one? -Frank |
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Aug 22 2007, 05:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 19-May 03 From: In your base eating your food. Member No.: 4,607 |
hooray the Invae. Three, one, doesn't bother me. |
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Aug 22 2007, 06:53 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 1-August 07 Member No.: 12,429 |
p. 335 of SR4 states that: "Cyberlimbs cannot hold any bioware, nor any cyberimplants that take up Essence rather than Capacity." So, that seems to be the way they kept it as there is nothing in Augmentation that changes it. Now the thing that Augmentation does that I don't know if it's in 3rd edition, is it allows you to have Customized Cyberlimbs. So you can have the Body Attribute as high as your Augmented Maximum. That coupled with Armor will, I'm sure, be comparable to Bone Lacing and Dermal Plating. If you don't think so, then there's always making your own House Rules as the designers intended things to be. |
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Aug 22 2007, 06:54 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Thanks for that Frank, nice to know I can do what I want. Great writing BTW. Do you have any thoughts on the Ordo Maximus/NEOnet split (also in in the Cybermancy bit)? It has some bearing on my campaign, I'm working on the idea that Celedyr found the Ordo's "power source" distasteful, but if there are more reasons I'd love some hints. |
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Aug 22 2007, 10:07 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Celedyr got more specific and inclusive procedural updates than Dr. Ellis ever did. And recall, he authorized every experiement that Dr. Ellis complained about. Eyes open and everything. So when Celedyr had the Ordo Maximus reduced, it probably wasn't because he felt badly about the things they had done - he ordered them to do it in the first place. More likely it was because Celedyr no longer thought that he had anything more to gain from their continued research, and did feel that their continued activities were a threat - both to public relations and to his position as Sith Lord. Consider the fact that Aztechnology went through a very similar research program.
Step 2: Have the dragon on the board of directors send in a bunch of runners to eliminate everyone who knows anything except the guys at the top. Step 3: Turn sanitized versions of all the research over to a new more by-the-book crew. Step 4: Publically distance yourself from the first group and actively interfere with anyone else who tries to replicate your methods. Step 5: Build the Dragonheart and Live Forever. How closely is Celedyr following the Dunkelzahn script? Well, he's read that script, but beyond that I can't say. And again, it's not that I won't say - I can't say. -Frank |
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Aug 22 2007, 10:20 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
I've always toyed with the idea that the Ordo's "source" , both of power, and information, was a dragon. Something tasty for them to snack on, a wonderful source of magical knowledge, and also great for working blood magic. Seeing that Celedyr already happily uses the young Ehliohann suggests he has no problem with using dragons as well as metahumans. However I can see other dragons having a much bigger problem with going along with another dragon being held by vamps then being manipulated. Hence a good reason for him to clean house a bit once he has what he wants. Just my little pet theory. I was hoping to see some sort of technomancer-friendly(er) ware in Augmentation, seeing as, at least by appearances, Ehliohann was hit in the crash, and could have become one, and he's in Neonet/ Tranysys' hands/claws. Maybe Unwired will have something on him though. *shrug* |
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Aug 22 2007, 11:25 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Actually, that's a pretty shitty way to spend eternity. |
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Aug 23 2007, 12:33 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
I think we're not talking "live forever", I think we're talking
-Frank |
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Aug 23 2007, 01:08 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,076 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Rock Hill, SC Member No.: 7,655 |
"Indeed!" - David LoPan |
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Aug 23 2007, 01:19 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869 |
I just gotta throw in a "I totally get that reference and I love that movie!" It has one of my favorite lines: "This potion makes you do things others can not do, see things others can not see." "Real things, Egg?" |
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Aug 23 2007, 07:51 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
The point remains... he was immortal to begin with. |
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Aug 25 2007, 05:38 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 1-August 07 Member No.: 12,429 |
This was asked by Kyrn back on July 28th. Just thought I'd bring it back up because it didn't get an answer (at least not that I saw). |
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Aug 25 2007, 06:09 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
I want a t-shirt now. It would read "Dunkelzahn Married Both Girls."
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