 Bring the new comers up to speed, What resources would it take |
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 Aug 10 2007, 01:03 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 695 Joined: 2-January 07 From: He has here a minute ago... Member No.: 10,514  |
Awesome, now just imagine if we all decent onto the wiki and dump our knowledge?
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Aug 10 2007, 01:17 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
There's a limit to what can be posted before 'infringements' start to occur.
Besides, that's why we have Dumpshock. ;) |
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Aug 10 2007, 03:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 695 Joined: 2-January 07 From: He has here a minute ago... Member No.: 10,514 |
What's the official word on out of print material? Under copy right law there is a time limit before they become public domain, but I don't know how that works with a corporation and derivative works.
I assume Catalyst now owns the rights to the back catalog of SR material, and they would then hold the right to republish and resell the older material. I wonder though if they would be willing to turn that beloved material over to the fans. Maybe just the stuff from SR1 and SR 2. Make the books and information public domain so we can compile them into a cohesive online narrative. A massive and canon knowledge base of past Sr material help bouy and support new player interested in jumping in on the cutting edge of Shadowrun. We can see here that it isn't just a bunch of old fat beards hanging out online talking about the good old days. There is real interest in this stuff. Whether Catalyst wants to turn a profit on that or focus on the future is up to them, butc I can think of no better stewards for this information than the people who have kept it alive this long. Wouldn't it be nice? |
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Aug 10 2007, 05:55 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Well that's not true. There is Fortune, and I've got a beard ! :D
There was a work in progres to put the old SR3 books up as pdf. I can only assume they'd like to continue that in the future. I'm unsure about FASA products though. |
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Aug 10 2007, 09:32 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,069 Joined: 19-July 07 From: Oakland CA Member No.: 12,309 |
1) Thanks for the clean-up on the Omega-Order wiki.
2) I'd love to see th old material open sourced. If if the current IP holders did put the 3e material on line I hope they price the .pdfs according to the value of their 4e relevant fluff. 3) Just another question. What calender years do the editions model? |
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Aug 10 2007, 09:40 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Off the top of my head, I think it was roughly five year intervals.
1st Edition: 2050-2055 2nd Edition: 2055-2060 3rd Edition: 2060-2065 4th Edition: 2070- |
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Aug 10 2007, 10:47 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
WizKids owns the Shadowrun IP, and Catalyst will be continuing to release those products as inexpensive ebooks. There are no plans to make any part of the Shadowrun IP public domain. |
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Aug 10 2007, 10:51 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
Close, but not quite. 2049-2053 2053-2060 2060-2065 2070+ I'm a little fuzzy on the -2060 date for 2nd. I wanna say it actually terminated aroun 2057 or 2058, but I have no hard refs for that. |
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Aug 10 2007, 11:01 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 95 Joined: 23-June 07 From: Akron, OH Member No.: 11,993 |
Actually 1st and 2nd both started their settings in 2050, but otherwise you're pretty much on the money as far as timeframes go.
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Aug 11 2007, 01:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
Actually, Adarael is almost correct. As implied by the original SSC, 1s6 begins in late '49. SR2 specifically states '52 as a start date.
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Aug 11 2007, 03:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 695 Joined: 2-January 07 From: He has here a minute ago... Member No.: 10,514 |
Ok, that clarifies it. What about republishing older material, possibly in a new more condensed form? Sort a history textbook for SR? Maybe as part of a plot book that heavily or directly references some past events? Do you know how Wizkids feels about the wiki and adding published information? |
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Aug 11 2007, 06:50 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
What about that German plot / background type book that was being planned a little while ago? Did that ever see fruition, or was the whole idea scrapped?
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Aug 11 2007, 07:01 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Catalyst has announced no such product, so I can't speak about the potential or lack of potential such a product would have.
The Sixth World Wiki was designed to condense material, bring together "hidden" tidbits from multiple books, and provide references in ways that do not infringe on WizKids' IP; in other word, adding wide swatches of published-text is frowned upon. |
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Aug 12 2007, 06:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 19-May 03 From: In your base eating your food. Member No.: 4,607 |
A compendium isn't a bad idea.
Oh and shadowrun isn't complete without Nerps! |
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Aug 12 2007, 10:33 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,069 Joined: 19-July 07 From: Oakland CA Member No.: 12,309 |
Hey all. This thread seems to have lots of responsive, knowledgeable, old timers I'll try my luck with yet another question. A quote on another page:
leads me to ask what the hell happened to LA? Did I just miss this city getting sacked? |
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Aug 12 2007, 11:31 AM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
You missed it, but not by much. The references are in Street Magic, pg. 118. I don't want to quote the whole thing here as it's pretty long, but the gist of it is that there were two massive earthquakes in California in 2069. Not only did big chunks of the city get cracked wide open, but "large portions" of the californian coastline sank, including "substantial sections of Los Angeles and San Diego." These parts of the city apparently collapsed into a large tunnel network that wasn't so much undiscovered as wasn't actually there before! These sink-holes flooded to a greater or lesser extent as the Pacific Ocean moved in. So now you have a big pieces of a modern city submerged to various degrees and collapsed into the midst of a maybe millenia old underground ruin. My guess is a kaer that finally reappeared and opened up when the ancient magics detected the mana had risen sufficiently. Of course it's long since abandoned and everyone inside it dead... probably. ;) Khadim's recipe for a frenzied Shadowrun one-shot is watch all the scene in Aliens 4 where they're making their way through the flooded sections of the station, crack open the never before used list of aquatic critters and the second edition Shark Totem that no-one ever wanted and send the team to LA to retrieve The Mysterious Artifact. Oh, and for added "role-playing experience," any time a PC is rolling extended swim tests to get through the underwater room to the other side, don't let the player breath until he reaches the threshold. :D -K. EDIT: Count another vote for the Shadowrun history book, please. We need one, it would satisfy people's need for Shadowtalk for the next twenty years and if it were well written, with an eye to the new fourth edition flavour, it could explain away or justify a lot of the unrealistic and sillier parts of Shadowrun cannon. |
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Aug 12 2007, 11:33 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Well it was mostly a dump to begin with in SR (plush walled enclaves surrounded by slums), then in '61 an earthquake bought the walls down, and the PCC annexed it at the locals request (sorta). Then in about '68 another quake happened that collapased a series of tunnels that had appeared underneath LA due to an alchera (materialising astral construct. Cue flooding and bitching from lots of people on this forum. Basically LA know has more coastline, and an ancient (4th age) mostly flooding underground cty below it.
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