 Giving Good Karma to Free Spirts, Ratio |
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 Sep 13 2007, 10:34 AM
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Free Spirit  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920  |
The trend seems to be, the more magically active one is, the better the transfer ratio. What should the ratio be for a free spirit to give karma to another free spirit? |
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Sep 13 2007, 11:44 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Probably 1:1, on a par with full Magicians.
Those with Enchanting abilities could do even better. |
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Sep 13 2007, 12:04 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Do you mean conjuring instead of enchanting? I do not see where enchanting applies. |
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Sep 13 2007, 03:09 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I assume we are talking about SR3.
If I recall correctly, successful use of the Enchanting Skill can affect the Karma ratio. I don't have any SR3 books right, now, but look in M&M. As an aside, Spirits cannot have Conjuring (in any edition), as far as I know. |
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Sep 13 2007, 03:18 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
1:2. Free Spirits cooperating with each other should be able to generate unbounded karma.
;) ~J |
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Sep 13 2007, 08:20 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Right. A character with Conjuring can perform a simple ritual to increase the ratio by 1. It is a Conjuring(F+Spirit Energy) Test. If a character does it on someone elses behalf, there is a +2 modifier. I was wondering if it is even needed if the ratio started at 1:2. 1:1, modified by the ritual, creates 1:2.
I have found one way a spirit can. A Free Spirit may acquire the Possession Power, giving them access to all the skills and knowledge of the target. If the Possessed character could use Conjuring, the spirit would be able to also. (MitS.99) |
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Sep 13 2007, 09:16 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Can you show me the (SR3) quote that allows a person to use Conjuring that way? I swear that I recall that Enchanting is described as being usable in that manner, but can't for the life of me recall anything of the sort being said about Conjuring. |
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Sep 13 2007, 10:57 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
This follows the ratios I listed earlier. |
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Sep 13 2007, 11:03 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Fair enough.
I am still sure about the Enchanting thing (possibly in addition to that rule, or possibly it is SR2 that I am thinking of), but not having the books I cannot pursue the matter in any further depth. :( |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:38 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
MitS page 116, the whole part about giving karma to free spirits. No mention of Enchanting on that page. On the other hand, you may have experienced some concept drift from the enchanting section description of unique enchantments. Some odd hybrid concept of the "turn toxic spirit to guacamole", the "sustain spirit during downcycle" and the actual section on strengthening a free spirit (which could lead to it being strong enough to live in a mana warp and/or re-aspecting itself to be a Spirit of Guacamole). Edit: and now I have yet another magical (N?)PC idea... [ Spoiler ]
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Sep 14 2007, 03:13 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yep! I have come to the conclusion that senility is definitely setting in. I am now sure I was confusing the rules for using Enchanting to reduce Bonding costs (combined with other non-Shadowrun crap) with the proper Conjuring rules.
So ... ignore me. :D |
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Sep 21 2007, 01:15 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Wow, thats... thats too damm descriptive. |
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Sep 21 2007, 01:35 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I always wanted a side of guacamole with my side of guacamole.
~J |
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