 The Most Evil Weapons And Vehicles? |
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 Aug 22 2003, 12:20 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 697  |
I like these threads :D
well check this out: Mitsuhama-Daedalus MLCR-4 (MuLtirole Cargo Helicopter) Handling 5/ Speed 422/ Accel 30/ Body 7/ Armor 32(conceilable)/ Signature 5/ Autonav 4/ Pilot 3/ Sensor 4/ Cargo 507/ Load 5655/ Fuel 1000/ Economy 0.35/ Cost 4000200/ Points 13334 Features: CMC 9/ Datajack port/ Drive by wire 3/ Structural Agility 3/ APPS/ Remote control interface/ Rigger adaptation/ Crash cage/ LIfe Support (40 hours)/ Enviroseal (gas,water,engine,Overpressurazation)/ Internal missile mounts (6)/ Pop-up remote control small turret (RC8), Power amplifier (10)/ Smartlinnk 2/ Spotlight (white light, infa red) Smart materials Yes it can survive a direct hit from most AV missiles and can take more armor so that it can't be shot down by anything smaller that a railcannon. Ares-Daedalus HP-12 "Protector" Heavy pistol Power 10M/ Conseal 5/ Ammo 30 (clip)/ Mode SA,BF/ Weight 3.25/ Availability 8/1 week/ street index 1/ legality 4P-Q Features:Gas vent 3/ Ultrasound/ Personal grip/Smartlink2 Cost 5.200 Daedalus is an Hellenic AA that I have in my campaign and is located in Rhodes island, Hellas (Greece for all you foreigners, really no pan intented) Also check this out: Daedalus-Yamaha RMCL-4 "Eolos" Racing Motorcycle Handling -1:-1/ Speed 544/ Accel 61/ Body 2/ Armor 0/ Signature -1/ Autonav 4/ Pilot 1/ Sensor 1/ Cargo 2(external)/ Load 63/ Fuel 40/Economy 15km/ Cost 369400/ Points 3689 Features:CMC9/ Datajack port/ Drive by wire 3/ Structural agility 3/ Rigger adaptation/ Remote control interface/ NOS 6/ 2 external mounts/ Turbocharging 4/ Engine customization 6/ smart materials/ Spotlight (white light,infa red) What do you think of these babys? |
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Aug 22 2003, 01:00 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Why do I sense satyr? |
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Aug 23 2003, 01:12 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 697 |
satyr??????
please insert more data |
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Aug 23 2003, 01:21 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
He's referring to the mythical relationship between satyrs and pan (your misspelling of pain) pipes.
It was a joke. :) |
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Aug 23 2003, 01:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
I dimmly remember a thread where either an amphibious or a submersable heavy aircraft carrier was described, but looking at what I just wrote, I wonder if I was high or something...
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Aug 23 2003, 01:40 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Fortune is quite close, but there is also this Pan.
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Aug 23 2003, 02:20 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 697 |
actually I meant pun (I was never good at vocabulary!!!) :) And to my eternal damnation I failed to get the joke (nevertheless that doesn't mean that it isn't a good one).
nevertheless what did you think of the vehicles and the weapon? |
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Aug 23 2003, 06:56 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I knew that, but he isn't just an ordinary satyr, so I opted to go the other way. ;) |
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Aug 23 2003, 06:59 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
And that's also what I originally meant to write, but it got lost in the translation. :oops: What made Herald's joke even better was that you used Pan in context with Greece. :) |
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Aug 25 2003, 04:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 140 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 164 |
I'm a bit confused, why give the helicopter concealable armor? If I'm not mistaken, concealable armor uses up CF (and at armor 32, that's a hell of a lot of CF, not to mention load). Also take into consideration that at 32 points, it's not really concealable as you subtract the armor value from 8 to get the perception test target number I think (could someone back me up on this? I'm at work without my book.). Aside from that, I can't think of a use for a 4 million nuyen helicopter with outrageous armor and light armament. Maybe, MAYBE as an ultra-secure transport for important people, but even then I think it may be a little OTT. The bike however, seems a bit more unuseable. The speed makes it unfeasable for a non rigger (and you forgot to include the gyroscopic stabilization gear for a rigger). The price drives it out of the realm of most people's finances. I see both of these as being custom-built toys for the rich, with the helicopter having possible military applications, but that's about it. :( Now come up with some reasonably affordable, mass-marketable vehicles and I'll be impressed. :D |
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Aug 25 2003, 07:13 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,763 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Special Hell Member No.: 284 |
It's 9-(armor rating/3 [round down]) for the perception to notice it. At 32 points that gives us a conceal of -1. 32 pts of concealed armor also requires 64 CF and reduces the load by 7840 kg. It also increases the vehicle's handling by 5.
The real question is why make it remote controlled? Any rigger with a good EW skill and protocol emulation module is going to wreak havoc with the thing. |
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Aug 25 2003, 09:49 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 56 Joined: 14-August 03 Member No.: 5,492 |
There is only so much "armor" you could put on that Helicopter's rotor and blades (probably max armor or 10 or so). A callled shot to the rotor with a AVM would bring it down.
That is why people who want fast-armored transport use "Vector Thrust" vehicles, because the thrust ports can be armored w/ the engine systems protected inside the vehicle shell. |
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Aug 27 2003, 01:02 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 697 |
[QUOTE]I'm a bit confused, why give the helicopter concealable armor? If I'm not mistaken, concealable armor uses up CF (and at armor 32, that's a hell of a lot of CF, not to mention load). Also take into consideration that at 32 points, it's not really concealable as you subtract the armor value from 8 to get the perception test target number I think (could someone back me up on this? I'm at work without my book.). Aside from that, I can't think of a use for a 4 million nuyen helicopter with outrageous armor and light armament. Maybe, MAYBE as an ultra-secure transport for important people, but even then I think it may be a little OTT.[/QUOTE]
The reason was because I didn't want it to be outright visible to the eye. Even 1 point of conceilable armor is pointless in temrs of TN. And about uses, how would you like the following: THE anti-vehicle, anti-personel, troop transporting, practically undestructible aerial weapon at an extremely cost effective price. The GMC Banshee costs 8,440,000, it carries practically nothing, it has less armor and it cann't hover.Besides , light armament? It can mount a High Velocity Heavy Machine Gun and 6 missiles, you can level entire camps with only one and the opposition cann't do anything to stop you. This is the subject, the most evil weapons and vehicles. How many helicopters do you know that do the same things with the same cost? [QUOTE]The real question is why make it remote controlled? Any rigger with a good EW skill and protocol emulation module is going to wreak havoc with the thing. [/QUOTE] It is an option, if you want to use it as a drone.You could always have it on board and activate it whenever you want. [/QUOTE] The bike however, seems a bit more unuseable. The speed makes it unfeasable for a non rigger (and you forgot to include the gyroscopic stabilization gear for a rigger). The price drives it out of the realm of most people's finances.[/QUOTE] Yes, it is not supposed to be driven by a non-rigger and I really forgot the gyroscopic stabilization. Thanks for reminding me. About the price: the point of the post is the Most Evil (AKA powerfull) Weapons and Vehicles. That doesn't come cheap and never forget that we are talking about shadowrunners here. They make in a run more than an average person makes in a year. They need the best and so they have to pay for it. |
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Aug 27 2003, 01:04 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 697 |
Sorry for the quote thing I'm new to this forum stuf :D
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Aug 27 2003, 03:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 140 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 164 |
But with that much armor, it IS visible to the eye. VERY visible. It would be better if you just used regular armor.
Don't have my R3 book with me, but give me some time and I'll give you several that can do roughly the same things with a much smaller price tag.
No problem :P
Fair enough, although if you are looking to create the MOST EVIL weapons and vehicles without concern for price, I think you didn't go far enough. The design for the mini-blimp with a rail-cannon on it, for an affordable price and availability 8 (beginning characters could buy one), THAT'S evil. :D |
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Aug 28 2003, 03:37 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
And, as of Rigger 3 Revised, no longer effective. I think the design's still legal, though I didn't delve through the book deeply enough to thoroughly check the thing against the revised rules. I think anything that can dish out naval-scale damage pretty definitely qualifies as "military", though, so, with the revised Availability rules, it's going to get a +10 slapped onto its Availability. It's a lot less munchkin with an 18 Availability. |
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Aug 28 2003, 07:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 186 Joined: 30-January 03 From: Redlands, CA Member No.: 3,996 |
Here is a broken vehicle, it has all of the best performance and handling features and modifications. The best protective, and weapons systems that can be fitted, ans to top it off, add a electronics and computer system that match the other systems. And is has a low low price of 200,000 nuyen, and an availability of 6/2 wk. Oh and it is the size of a medium to large SUV.
Now lets move to the specifics of the stuff we would put on the vehicle, and some of it potental statistic. Here are some of the stats that make it broken (Handling: 2/2; Speed: 230/30; Accel: 12; Armor: 12/6; Sensor: 10). Here is a list of the features and modifications the said vehicle would possess.... Control System: Rigger Adaptation, RC Interface, Drive-by-Wires 3 Protective System: Enviroseal (Water, Engine) Weapon System: 2x External Hardpoints, 1x Small Turret, Smartlink Integration (Smartlink I and II) Electronic System: ECM/ECCM 10, ED/ECD 6, Electronic Port:: Radio (Flux 10), Computer w/ 2000 Mp, Screen 120cm Accessory System: Amphibeous 2, Spot Light, Winch (2000 Kg) |
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Aug 28 2003, 10:57 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 697 |
Could you explain armor 12/6 ? What do you mean? Ablatible armor? Which number is which?
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