well, i would like to know what the most munched weapons and/or vehicles that you can possibly make within the rules of the Cannon Companion and Rigger 3 (respectively).... no, i won't use them, it's just a interesting fact.. or we could make it a competition, if someone contributes i WON'T do teh se><ay dance, whoever does the best weapon gets a cookie, whoever makes the best vehicle (any category, i may have to give a lot of vehicle cookies) gets a cookie as well....

ready.... GO!

an auto cannon loaded with fletchette rounds manned by a ninja/vamprie/cyberzombie

Agh! Cobra??!! You and your munchies again!!!

To be honest; munchkinning the rules in the weapon design rules in CC always seems to go the same way; Take an assault rifle, Shorten the barrel, make it Bullpup config, Make the barrel Heavy, Make it an HV weapon, Add Improved FCU (6), Add improved concealability (2), Increace the Power, Recoil Compensation 3, Add the selectable clip option, Add an internal Smargun-2, Expand both clips to 50 rounds, add a foregrip. Personalise the Grip, Personalise the foregrip, add shock pads, Add a removeable grenade launcher & Rangefinder.

Oh yes. In true munchkin style I am completely ignoring the limitations of the design rules because I stole the prototype from Ares and got my level 2 gunsmith contact to customise the grip for me.

heh.... it's me, alright.....

alright.... i kinda meant statistics, like..... the way the books use statistics, with a short explanation on what's cool with the weapon?

otherwise.... *hands lilt teh weapon cookie, does NOT do teh se><ay dance*

(teh se><ay dance is irritating and se><ay)

One question. Why? [insert missing question smiley here]

I'm sure you are perfectly capable of making Munchkin weapons yourself using the C.C. rules. If you are not going to use them, as you say, why do you need us to create them for you?

OOH! A Cookie! *munch* *munch* *BUURRRRRP*

Okay, I'll play.

I just found out yesterday that I can get a car that is faster than a Thunderbird/Banshee in R3 (not quite as fast as a jump jet fighter tho).

Stats:


Sports Car Chassis with a Gas engine (the Deisel one is errata'd and should be under jet turbine )

Max Speed 270
Drive By Wire (+10% Speed) to 297
Engine Cusomization (max is 297 * 1.75 = 519.75)
7 levels of speed = + 210 to reach 507
Turbo Charged (Max is 270 * 1.25 = 337.5 or a net of +67.5) to 574.5
Nitrous boost (max 2.5 times speed rating) to a final speed of 1436.25

That is 1077 MPH or 1723.5 KPH!

T-Bird Speeds: (I think you can get a T-bird to max out about 1600)
Lobo LAV: 800
Banshee: 1000
Harpy Scout: 800

In fact, the only thing it won't out run are the HSCTs and Jet Fighters, and the Libre UAV.

So then, when can I get my cookie?

*hands lagomorph a cookie*

and this exists because i wanted to see how munched weapons/vehicles YOU could do, not me... YOU..... (and i wouldn't have thought of that car thing myself)

If I'm interpreting the vehicle weapons rules correctly, it's possible to design a miniblimp drone that carries a Xicohtencatl light railgun, enough armor to bounce assault cannon rounds, and has a price tag and Availability low enough to be purchased at character generation.

Full stats here. For best results, buy the XM version and put the armor (and ECM and etc.) on it first thing in-game. The XM has been deliberately munchkinized by being stripped of everything that could be added as an aftermarket mod and didn't need to be crammed through the massive Availability loophole the vehicle design rules produce.

I'm really hoping that Rigger 3 Revised has some design rules that aren't totally crack-smoking. The Availability portion is the most horribly broken, but the design rules in general just make no fragging sense. Maybe I should take a shot at porting Car Wars to Shadowrun...

And, dammit, I want to be able to put full living accomodations in a zeppelin...

uhm: what the FRAG does "LN" mean in the damage code of the railgun?

Edit2: Erm, scratch everything, never mind, I thought it was on a turret..

Edit3: Looking over the rules, a miniblimp with the jet turbine option (Max 500) with the DBW +10% load (to 550) and the Maximum of engine customization (1.75 * 550) gives 962.5 load, you could put a Relampago medium rail gun on the miniblimp for only 780 load, and still have 180 or so for the other unneeded stuff.

You could have a anthroform drone with a light one I'm betting too. *looks* Yep looks like you can actually.

Edit: SolidCobra: LN is light naval damage under the Ship section of R3, its kind of like the next level above deadly damage

Here john,

*Gives half of cookie*

You deserve it

Using the standard CC rules, I took an assault rifle and used the following options:
Bullpup, Improved Recoil 2, Improved Power 1, Improved FCU 1, Weight Removal 8, Barrel Reduction

With the following integrated items:
Sound Suppressor, Grenade Launcher, Smarklink II, Personalized Grip, Shock Pad

Damage 9M
Mode SA/BF/FA
Conceal 7 <-- !!!!!
Weight 7.5
Ammo 30©
Recoil Compensation 5
Cost 7202.5

Notes: Only accepts top mounted accessories, -10% range.


To paraphrase Penny Arcade:
"Nobody knows what I did until the evening news."
"I hear that."
"Human bodies from hell to breakfast."

ah... okay *hands John Campbell and Daishi a cookie, each*

*Fix-It's Head explodes from the sheer power being put through this thread*

(power GAMING that is)

I like these threads

well check this out:
Mitsuhama-Daedalus MLCR-4 (MuLtirole Cargo Helicopter)

Handling 5/ Speed 422/ Accel 30/ Body 7/ Armor 32(conceilable)/ Signature 5/ Autonav 4/ Pilot 3/ Sensor 4/ Cargo 507/ Load 5655/ Fuel 1000/ Economy 0.35/ Cost 4000200/ Points 13334

Features: CMC 9/ Datajack port/ Drive by wire 3/ Structural Agility 3/ APPS/ Remote control interface/ Rigger adaptation/ Crash cage/ LIfe Support (40 hours)/ Enviroseal (gas,water,engine,Overpressurazation)/ Internal missile mounts (6)/ Pop-up remote control small turret (RC8), Power amplifier (10)/ Smartlinnk 2/ Spotlight (white light, infa red) Smart materials

Yes it can survive a direct hit from most AV missiles and can take more armor so that it can't be shot down by anything smaller that a railcannon.

Ares-Daedalus HP-12 "Protector"

Heavy pistol

Power 10M/ Conseal 5/ Ammo 30 (clip)/ Mode SA,BF/ Weight 3.25/ Availability 8/1 week/ street index 1/ legality 4P-Q

Features:Gas vent 3/ Ultrasound/ Personal grip/Smartlink2
Cost 5.200

Daedalus is an Hellenic AA that I have in my campaign and is located in Rhodes island, Hellas (Greece for all you foreigners, really no pan intented)

Also check this out:

Daedalus-Yamaha RMCL-4 "Eolos"
Racing Motorcycle

Handling -1:-1/ Speed 544/ Accel 61/ Body 2/ Armor 0/ Signature -1/ Autonav 4/ Pilot 1/ Sensor 1/ Cargo 2(external)/ Load 63/ Fuel 40/Economy 15km/ Cost 369400/ Points 3689

Features:CMC9/ Datajack port/ Drive by wire 3/ Structural agility 3/ Rigger adaptation/ Remote control interface/ NOS 6/ 2 external mounts/ Turbocharging 4/ Engine customization 6/ smart materials/ Spotlight (white light,infa red)

What do you think of these babys?

satyr??????
please insert more data

He's referring to the mythical relationship between satyrs and pan (your misspelling of pain) pipes.

It was a joke.

I dimmly remember a thread where either an amphibious or a submersable heavy aircraft carrier was described, but looking at what I just wrote, I wonder if I was high or something...

Fortune is quite close, but there is also this Pan.

actually I meant pun (I was never good at vocabulary!!!) And to my eternal damnation I failed to get the joke (nevertheless that doesn't mean that it isn't a good one).

nevertheless what did you think of the vehicles and the weapon?

It's 9-(armor rating/3 [round down]) for the perception to notice it. At 32 points that gives us a conceal of -1. 32 pts of concealed armor also requires 64 CF and reduces the load by 7840 kg. It also increases the vehicle's handling by 5.

The real question is why make it remote controlled? Any rigger with a good EW skill and protocol emulation module is going to wreak havoc with the thing.

There is only so much "armor" you could put on that Helicopter's rotor and blades (probably max armor or 10 or so). A callled shot to the rotor with a AVM would bring it down.

That is why people who want fast-armored transport use "Vector Thrust" vehicles, because the thrust ports can be armored w/ the engine systems protected inside the vehicle shell.

[QUOTE]I'm a bit confused, why give the helicopter concealable armor? If I'm not mistaken, concealable armor uses up CF (and at armor 32, that's a hell of a lot of CF, not to mention load). Also take into consideration that at 32 points, it's not really concealable as you subtract the armor value from 8 to get the perception test target number I think (could someone back me up on this? I'm at work without my book.). Aside from that, I can't think of a use for a 4 million nuyen helicopter with outrageous armor and light armament. Maybe, MAYBE as an ultra-secure transport for important people, but even then I think it may be a little OTT.[/QUOTE]

The reason was because I didn't want it to be outright visible to the eye. Even 1 point of conceilable armor is pointless in temrs of TN. And about uses, how would you like the following: THE anti-vehicle, anti-personel, troop transporting, practically undestructible aerial weapon at an extremely cost effective price. The GMC Banshee costs 8,440,000, it carries practically nothing, it has less armor and it cann't hover.Besides , light armament? It can mount a High Velocity Heavy Machine Gun and 6 missiles, you can level entire camps with only one and the opposition cann't do anything to stop you. This is the subject, the most evil weapons and vehicles. How many helicopters do you know that do the same things with the same cost?

[QUOTE]The real question is why make it remote controlled? Any rigger with a good EW skill and protocol emulation module is going to wreak havoc with the thing. [/QUOTE]

It is an option, if you want to use it as a drone.You could always have it on board and activate it whenever you want.

[/QUOTE]
The bike however, seems a bit more unuseable. The speed makes it unfeasable for a non rigger (and you forgot to include the gyroscopic stabilization gear for a rigger). The price drives it out of the realm of most people's finances.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it is not supposed to be driven by a non-rigger and I really forgot the gyroscopic stabilization. Thanks for reminding me.

About the price: the point of the post is the Most Evil (AKA powerfull) Weapons and Vehicles. That doesn't come cheap and never forget that we are talking about shadowrunners here. They make in a run more than an average person makes in a year. They need the best and so they have to pay for it.

Sorry for the quote thing I'm new to this forum stuf

Here is a broken vehicle, it has all of the best performance and handling features and modifications. The best protective, and weapons systems that can be fitted, ans to top it off, add a electronics and computer system that match the other systems. And is has a low low price of 200,000 nuyen, and an availability of 6/2 wk. Oh and it is the size of a medium to large SUV.

Now lets move to the specifics of the stuff we would put on the vehicle, and some of it potental statistic. Here are some of the stats that make it broken (Handling: 2/2; Speed: 230/30; Accel: 12; Armor: 12/6; Sensor: 10). Here is a list of the features and modifications the said vehicle would possess....

Control System:
Rigger Adaptation, RC Interface, Drive-by-Wires 3
Protective System:
Enviroseal (Water, Engine)
Weapon System:
2x External Hardpoints, 1x Small Turret, Smartlink Integration (Smartlink I and II)
Electronic System:
ECM/ECCM 10, ED/ECD 6, Electronic Port:: Radio (Flux 10), Computer w/ 2000 Mp, Screen 120cm
Accessory System:
Amphibeous 2, Spot Light, Winch (2000 Kg)

Could you explain armor 12/6 ? What do you mean? Ablatible armor? Which number is which?